riverrock wrote:Do most group insurance do named pilots or "any pilot over 100 hours plus these named ones"? Would sort most of that out...
We have a general agreement to operate the aircraft in a similar way as each other but it is a gentleman's agreement - not written down. Before anyone joins, a discussion will be had as to whether they would be suitable for our group. We also have a general veto available for anyone joining the group by other members. Some things are difficult to police. Its near impossible to stop someone selling their share to someone else who may be undesirable to the group.
The only issue I've had in the groups I'm is was one individual who is a TRE in an airline, and wanted the group to be run in the same way as the airline.
So if there was anything not perfect (in a 50 year old aircraft) then he wanted it immediately grounded. He accused those who were running the group of negligence and fraud (to the point that an auditor was appointed to do an assessment who found everything was in order - no case to answer - the treasurer is a chartered accountant) and caused a large lever arch file worth of paperwork in all the email correspondence he generated. The group chair (a senior exec in his normal employment) felt he had to step down due to the workload this one individual generated. We found out later that he has a reputation in that airline.
We don't have anything written down as a signed agreement for each member, but we do have a small number of items agreed between members and written in minutes of AGMs which show agreement on certain things - such as what happens on death of a member, just to cover the group from legal issues.
You've hit the nail on the hear re 'gentlemens' agreements>
We run our group by (unsigned) gentlemens' agreement between members and we have written guidelines on what to do if there is default, death or other stuff.It's worked well so far and you're dead right that the initial meeting 'trial by sherry/beer/wine' is vital to discover if the guy standing before you will work out as a group member .
It can be hard because out in the depths of East Anglia new members have always been hard to find and there is temptation to fill a place with someone less than satisfactory.
We've only used the power of veto once when a past member who left under something of a cloud and almost cost us money, attempted to re-join the group.
We also had a gentlemens' agreement on the subletting use of our airstrip ( which we lease long term from the farmer -non profit making, cost sharing-) by other residents. However attempts to formalise this by a signed agreement when a change of treasurer in our group highlighted abuse of the gentlemens' agreement was only partially successful: All bar one other residents were very happy to sign , one was not and left.