johnm wrote:The issue is about how folk spend their time and how added value is generated across the economy, some of that notably in the UK where a significant part of the economy is folk buying tat they don't need with money they don't have is not all that great from a personal point of view.
Examples of sustainable stuff is paying a premium for food so it's grown less efficiently but more "sustainably".
It's an immensely complex area and there is an argument that infinite growth on a finite planet isn't possible, but that assumes that we consume planetary resources, that's why "sustainability" is getting more attention. The idea is that we balance production and consumption of resources and the only net input is energy from the Sun. We then have a stable economy until the Sun becomes a supernova. The fly in the ointment is population growth, because that undermines stability by definition.
^^ this is nonsense.
People have always consumed increasing amounts of unnecessary "tat" whether it's amber and seashell necklaces a million years ago or iPhones and second homes now .
The half-baked idea that population growth is unsustainable has been disproven generation after generation, underlined by the fact that in the 200 years Malthus came up with his ideas the planet's population is seven times larger, healthier, wealthier, well fed and longer lived. Humans technologise our way out of the growth problem before it arrives with evolutionary consequences.
For years I also thought that population growth was unsustainable, taking ideas from Jim Lovelock in particular. Nowadays those ideas are being propagated by the thinking luvvies latest Malthusian - David Attenborough. So once again Malthus's long-since disproven ideas are getting a fresh airing just as we're about to eliminate hunger and malaria once and for all. These ideas are (IMO) just the natural human fight or flight response to things that seem out of control so we want to keep things the same.
Nostalgia ain't what it used to be.
There is perhaps one thing that makes most people poorer, or at least less rich than they could
be - hoarding wealth instead of spending wealth. Pension holders take note.
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