Fri Jun 14, 2019 8:19 am #1700003
PaulB wrote:Lockhaven wrote:Its not a clearance, its a procedural service advising you of other traffic, wisely other traffic participates so everyone knows were each other is, as always in the UK "legal" "blame" "what if" "unsafe" "not possible" pops up
So, in that example, why do you need Montreal Center? Why could pilots just tell Wabush what they're doing? Or is it a case, like the UK, that other pilots not talking to Montreal or Wabush (or perhaps not talking to anyone) may be flying through the approach and the Radar unit can advise of those?
Given the fractured structure of ATC in the UK, I just can't see that working or being achievable so we perhaps need to have a different goal that maybe is achievable?
Sorry if I'm being thick here....
Ok in that example Wabash is approx 500nm from Montreal.
Firstly you would probably be talking to Montreal Centre via relay stations not directly while using the airways in the area, so in this case if you were enroute to Wabash they would advise you of any other traffic in the Wabash area either from radar returns or via telephone link to Wabash tower (if the guy was in the tower and not having his dinner) as there is no official ATC its just a guy to pass the weather and advise if other traffic is using the approach or landing at Wabash.
You could also just speak directly to Wabash for the approach if you had flown in from a more local airport non airways, again assuming the guy is not having his dinner, because he isn't ATC.
The point is, pilots know how the system works and everyone makes blind calls if required.
What needs to happen in the UK is to educate pilots on how these sort of systems work, the CAA need to realise these systems work without full oversight and control by them, UK ATC need to be educated in to a new way of thinking instead of believing they have overall control to make such systems work, and airports around the UK need to stop having there own power craze regarding bits of airspace around them.
Almost everything is achievable but it helps if people pull their heads out of the sand and look around them instead of saying No first because thats the way we have always done it.
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