[Shoestring Flyer]

When visiting Welshpool I often wonder what the late Bob Poole, airfield owner, had on the altimeter subscale that fatefully day when he hit the hillside?

[GrahamB]

When visiting Welshpool I often wonder what the late Bob Jones, airfield owner, had on the altimeter subscale that fatefully day when he hit the hillside?

Fixed that for you.

[Shoestring Flyer]

Thanks...I immediately realised after postingI had the surname wrong!

[GrahamB]

When visiting Welshpool I often wonder what the late Bob Poole, airfield owner, had on the altimeter subscale that fatefully day when he hit the hillside?

It's pure speculation, but given his qualifications and type of flying he did, along with those of the guy* he was checking out in the Navajo, it's highly unlikely to have been QFE.

* who did the first two days of my full-time IMC course back in '93, and who drummed flying on QNH into me from the first hour.

[Shoestring Flyer]

When visiting Welshpool I often wonder what the late Bob Poole, airfield owner, had on the altimeter subscale that fatefully day when he hit the hillside?

It's pure speculation, but given his qualifications and type of flying he did, along with those of the guy* he was checking out in the Navajo, it's highly unlikely to have been QFE.

* who did the first two days of my full-time IMC course back in '93, and who drummed flying on QNH into me from the first hour.

Interesting thoughts....Thanks.

[JAFO]

When visiting Welshpool I often wonder what the late Bob Jones, airfield owner, had on the altimeter subscale that fateful day when he hit the hillside?

Fixed that for you.

There, fixed it for both of you.

[GrahamB]

When visiting Welshpool I often wonder what the late Bob Jones, airfield owner, had on the altimeter subscale that fateful day when he hit the hillside?

Fixed that for you.

There, fixed it for both of you.

There's nitpicking and there's nitpicking

[defcribed]

With plenty of time, teaching bomber circuits and a 3mile final, that all sounds good!

Actually, the tighter the circuit the more it becomes a matter of eyeballing.

[js1643]

With all the machinations that we have to go through to land at a UK airfield (PPR, local procedures, circuit info, noise abatement areas, ect), who shows up without knowing the airfield altitude?

I agree with the replies above that QFE is moronic.

Exactly. How hard to add 1000 to the airfield elevation rounded up/down. And don't be obsessing with something like 324ft, that's just 300 plus 1000. If it's 176 then make it 200. From mid-late downwind nobody should then be looking at the altimeter anyway.

I suppose we have 99% also who blindly reach for the knob when told the QNH has changed and is now X. It's 27ft difference!!! I don't even bother.

[johnm]

I suppose we have 99% also who blindly reach for the knob when told the QNH has changed and is now X. It's 27ft difference!!! I don't even bother.

Oh I bother, when landing off a precision approach with decision height of 250 ft, 27 ft is noticeable....

[Flyingmac]

I agree with the replies above that QFE is moronic.

That puts me in the same camp as Gordon then. 42 years of flying like a moron. It's a wonder I've survived. Must remember to check that my altimeter isn't reading zero before I take off for some circuit work.

[Rjk983]

Come on @defcribed , keep up please.

We’ve had at least 20% of the thread devoted to it so the topic title needs another update please…

Basic Service, RT competency, See & Avoid and Altimeter Settings

You could maybe also add a side note for knee board chat?

And I’m disappointed that nobody has tried to convince us of the merits of which way to hold the chart while looking out the window, speaking to the controller and changing the altimeter.

So Track up, QFE in the circuit, written down on my knee board, traffic or deconfliction service and I’m a happy boy…

[Oldfart]

I fully understand the limitations of a BASIC Service. I still find it odd that when under a Radar SERVICE the only service you get, can be advising you after infringing!
Happened recently to a Group aircraft, with Mode S and ADS B, when after 15 mins under a Farnborough allocated transponder code.
( Minor infringement after a miss reading of a Airspace limit )

[Oldfart]

In future when near controlled airspace our Group will request a Traffic Service.
On the day in question though, Farnborough East and North were unmanned, and no Traffic Service was available due “Controller Workload.”!!

[Atco Lurker]

In future when near controlled airspace our Group will request a Traffic Service.
On the day in question though, Farnborough East and North were unmanned, and no Traffic Service was available due “Controller Workload.”!!

Care to expand upon what you consider a “minor infringement after misreading an airspace limit”? Withholding comment without more detail.