[Flyin'Dutch']

I won't say it.......

[Colonel Panic]

Stopped off at the new (3rd gen) Supercharger in Crawley today - stonking rate of charge! 179kW is sooooo much better than the 7.4kW I get with the home charger. And the way Teslas can pre-heat the battery prior to arriving at the charger also helps.

My "free Supercharging" is soon to end, so if anyone is on the cusp of ordering a new Tesla, let me know & we can both benefit with 1,000 miles free each. #tart

[TheKentishFledgling]

And the way Teslas can pre-heat the battery prior to arriving at the charger also helps.

Just out of interest...
Does it detect you’re a) low on charge and b) nearing a supercharger, so activate this automatically? Or do you have to tell it to pre-heat?

[malcolmfrost]

The nav will decide you need a stop to get to your destination and automatically start warming the battery in preparation at a distance dependent on the current battery temperature. Only to Tesla Superchargers at the moment.

[Colonel Panic]

Or you choose the Supercharger as a Destination (like wot I did today), and it then determines when to switch the battery heater on; in cold weather it can be perhaps 30 mins out, in the summer maybe just 10-15.

[Charles Hunt]

CP

So this all singing and dancing modern technology forced you to spend an unwanted 35 plus minutes of your life in Crawley? Is this really progress?

Personally I'd stick with the Light 15!

[Flyin'Dutch']

Stopped off at the new (3rd gen) Supercharger in Crawley today - stonking rate of charge! 179kW is sooooo much better than the 7.4kW I get with the home charger.

7.4! I raise you 2.7!

Can you imagine my delight with our new callbox?

11!

Revolutionised my EV Experience.

[Bill McCarthy]

I’ve been reading the blurb on some of these PHEVs - drawn by the 250 mpg claims. Since the battery range quoted is in the order of 40 miles, surely, on a long run, the engine will be running most of the time, and as these engines have a lower cubic capacity are working harder ? There must be a marginal advantage in fuel consumption, if any. Confused dot com.

[rdfb]

I’ve been reading the blurb on some of these PHEVs - drawn by the 250 mpg claims. Since the battery range quoted is in the order of 40 miles, surely, on a long run, the engine will be running most of the time, and as these engines have a lower cubic capacity are working harder ? There must be a marginal advantage in fuel consumption, if any. Confused dot com.

I believe that car engines are unusual in that they need to deliver extremely high power while the car accelerates, but relatively little in proportion to that while cruising. On a long run, you'll be spending most of your time cruising. The battery will take care of the high power demand of the initial 0-60. After that, a smaller engine is perhaps actually more efficient?

[johnm]

This question has long puzzled me not least because (as I have mentioned before) my neighbours Lexus Hybrid has worse average fuel consumption than my ICE Subaru Outback.

[Colonel Panic]

My understanding of hybrids is that they are designed to save tax, little else.

[Bill McCarthy]

It reminds me of the days that the “new” Mini Clubman came out with an advertised 90 odd miles per gallon. The only way that it could achieve that would be ticking over whilst being towed on a trailer !
I’ll scrub round PHEV and EV for now.

[CloudHound]

Bill, I ran a Mitsubishi Outlander PHEV for 5 years and a smidgen over 50,000 miles.

I commuted 23 miles each way to work where we had charging facilities. After 2016 in retirement my average daily use dropped to 10 miles/day.

I never logged fuel purchases but could go weeks without refuelling.

So it comes down to need and operational requirements.

My new Pug BEV has around 200 miles range but with Covid I’m recharging once a month on Octopus Go for 5p/hr.

[Rob P]

My understanding of hybrids is that they are designed to save tax, little else.

Originally intended to reduce urban pollution, but yes, they are very much a dead-end in the development of the passenger car

Mercedes promote the very limited electric mileage of their cars with two power sources as being for stately arrival and departure kerbside. Ferrari for boosting ultimate performance when augmenting the ICE

Rob P

[eltonioni]

My understanding of hybrids is that they are designed to save tax, little else.

Originally intended to reduce urban pollution, but yes, they are very much a dead-end in the development of the passenger car

Mercedes promote the very limited electric mileage of their cars with two power sources as being for stately arrival and departure kerbside. Ferrari for boosting ultimate performance when augmenting the ICE

Rob P.

Increasingly, electric cars look like a dead end too, as a stepping stone away from oil to to hydrogen power. A ban on new oil powered vehicles by 2030 without any real new subsidies towards electric purchases or infrastructure was telling.

A goodly portion of UK / Earth PLC in general is already set up for converting the transport network to hydrogen, whereas electric is, well, not so much. EV discussions are all about wringing compromises to fit into real world situations. Hydrogen needs no serious compromises for consumers in advanced economies.