Thu Jun 06, 2019 8:19 am
#1698363
Ban acronyms !!!!!!!
Antagonise no man, for you never know the hour when you may have need of him.
TheFarmer wrote:defcribed wrote:Yakovlevs wrote:Why is PPR a bug-bear? Calling an airfield prior to visiting always strikes me as eminently sensible.
Do you call a car park before you go?
Completely different.
Do you call someone before you call round to their house?
Do you call a pub before you go?
Bill McCarthy wrote:Ban acronyms !!!!!!!
johnm wrote:Do you call a pub before you go?
Surprisingly often round here if I want to eat
defcribed wrote:johnm wrote:Do you call a pub before you go?
Surprisingly often round here if I want to eat
Well yes, if you want maintenance work done (a meal) then you'd probably call ahead to arrange. If you just want a drink (fuel) then not necessary.
Seriously, if the best arguments for PPR people can come up with are that it's polite to call ahead then I really do despair. It's a flipping airport, not visiting Aunt Ethel in Little Whinging.
You need to know about our circuits and noise abatement = put it in the AIP or on your website.
There's something special going on today = issue a NOTAM or put it on your website.
Someone's stacked it and we've had to close the runway = the visitor will find out when he arrives and can divert as required.
It's polite and 'good airmanship' to call ahead = now you're clutching at straws.
You will benefit from our 'quality briefing' = get real.
Yakovlevs wrote:Henstridge, our base, is NOTAM'd closed this week for runway repairs. Henstridge Radio took 5 calls from inbound traffic before midday on Monday, and I gather that it has been continuing all week. Seems like a lot of wasted AVGAS to me. No PPR for Henstridge other than for non-radio a/c.
defcribed wrote:Yakovlevs wrote:Henstridge, our base, is NOTAM'd closed this week for runway repairs. Henstridge Radio took 5 calls from inbound traffic before midday on Monday, and I gather that it has been continuing all week. Seems like a lot of wasted AVGAS to me. No PPR for Henstridge other than for non-radio a/c.
Excellent, it needed it!
Good story too though, which shows that people don't look at NOTAMs. Unfortunately I think people seize on this sort of thing as a reason to require PPR by telephone, rather than addressing the root cause which is people not doing the basics.
There's no danger and it's their wasted money. Perhaps they'll look at NOTAMs in future.
GonzoEGLL wrote:defcribed wrote:Yakovlevs wrote:Henstridge, our base, is NOTAM'd closed this week for runway repairs. Henstridge Radio took 5 calls from inbound traffic before midday on Monday, and I gather that it has been continuing all week. Seems like a lot of wasted AVGAS to me. No PPR for Henstridge other than for non-radio a/c.
Excellent, it needed it!
Good story too though, which shows that people don't look at NOTAMs. Unfortunately I think people seize on this sort of thing as a reason to require PPR by telephone, rather than addressing the root cause which is people not doing the basics.
There's no danger and it's their wasted money. Perhaps they'll look at NOTAMs in future.
But how does it get addressed, though?
If you know that, historically, a large proportion of your inbound don't brief properly, what do you, as an airfield owner, do?