Miscellaneous wrote:Flyin'Dutch' wrote:Unless you think that UK citizens are less able to be educated than those in the Netherlands, Germany, Scandinavia I think you are doing the population a great disservice.
Not at all FD I'm sure Brits are just as able to be educated, I just don't accept similar problems don't exist in Scandinavia.
Of course they do but on a much smaller scale (and not just in absolute but also relative basis)
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Flyin'Dutch' wrote:These situations and circumstances are not inherent to people of a certain background or intelligence but rather, for the largest part, the result of generations of neglect and deprivation.
I'd probably go with the background not being the primary cause, however inherent it is, in some.
I struggle to understand the disconnect here. I don't know your backgrounds, however I would have thought a GP would certainly have been exposed to the people I describe.
Of course GPs other than those solely working in the leafiest of areas are exposed to this and see the effects of it first hand.
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Yet again there are the deniers of the facts, the reasons behind them, with the finger immediately, it seems without thought, being pointed at the authorities. Well what else would you expect from those who are; a) anti establishment, and b) non believers in personal responsibility?
Whilst education certainly influences all areas of lives, and of particular relevance mental health, it doesn't require much education to get up off the chair and do a bit of cleaning.
If we can accept that throughout the species there is great variation in, for example, sexual orientation and preference, why is it so difficult to accept there are differences which cause people to live lives as I describe? Or is sexual orientation a consequence of govt policy too?
For clarity, I believe education is the greatest tool available to shape a population, there's not doubt. Indeed it has been shown time and time again. However, I am not naive enough to believe it will cure all and simply blaming govt at every opportunity for not providing 'education' is an opt out IMO.
Miscellaneous wrote:Yet again there are the deniers of the facts, the reasons behind them, with the finger immediately, it seems without thought, being pointed at the authorities. Well what else would you expect from those who are; a) anti establishment, and b) non believers in personal responsibility?
Deniers of which facts?
I am not denying that there are problems in and with people in certain parts of society.
But I don't think that these people are the only people in society who cause damage to society as a whole and I also don't think that these people are solely responsible for the situation they find themselves in and that the depth of deprivation getting deeper and the fraction of the population who is in this situation is getting larger is their doing.
If nothing else the rest of society has not been able to stem this increase of the problem. Pretty poor for society as a whole who can send people into space but can not sort out that our brethren can have a decent life.
Miscellaneous wrote:Well what else would you expect from those who are; a) anti establishment, and b) non believers in personal responsibility?
Never been called an anarchist before but it is never too late I suppose!
I am not anti-establishment and I am a very strong believer in taking personal responsibility but I also think that society as a whole and we each as individuals have a responsibility to make the lives of all a bit better - if for no reason that it will make my life better and safer if society improves and we have less poverty/social discord/violence.
And again it is not dissimilar to what we experience in our beloved aviation world. You cannot make CAS safer by having the 'death' penalty i.e. loss of licence for transgression; that is a complex problem too which requires a multi faceted approach.
Miscellaneous wrote:Whilst education certainly influences all areas of lives, and of particular relevance mental health, it doesn't require much education to get up off the chair and do a bit of cleaning.
For clarity, I believe education is the greatest tool available to shape a population, there's not doubt. Indeed it has been shown time and time again. However, I am not naive enough to believe it will cure all and simply blaming govt at every opportunity for not providing 'education' is an opt out IMO.
It is not just about school type education it is also what happens in our society at every level.
Allowing cooperations to ride roughshod over common decency and exploiting people as the likes of Sports Direct, Uber, Amazon doing is also teaching people something, for there to be zero consequences for MPs who have had their hand in the expenses jar, teaches people something, for politicians to be able to tell blatant lies without there being any consequences is also teaching people something. To roll out universal credit when it is not fit for purpose and drives people into poverty is also teaching people something.
Or do you think that the population at large 'doesn't get' get what is happening there?
And that it is possible to 'educate' people into more desirable behaviour is proven. But is complex and requires joint up thinking and an ongoing effort beyond the life-span of a fish and chips wrapper.
How did rates of alcohol and drug use reduce under teenagers; and teenage pregnancy rates and rates of smokers in society?
All very very successful programmes with very positive outcomes.
But none of that is easily capture in a few sound bites or a red top headline.
Miscellaneous wrote:If we can accept that throughout the species there is great variation in, for example, sexual orientation and preference, why is it so difficult to accept there are differences which cause people to live lives as I describe? Or is sexual orientation a consequence of govt policy too?
Clearly it isn"t, but acceptance of diversity very much is a government responsibility.