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By Morten
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Unless this is a typo for 'pattern' and aimed at US pilots, this is surely a joke? I thought their patter and sarcastic put-downs were made up on the spot, not taken from a manual?
In fact, I thought this thread could become an amusing/interesting repository for the what we have heard, or said, over the years.

Eg:
(After forgetting to put carb heat on) It's a bit cold here, don't you think?
(after forgetting to take flaps up after TO) Do you hear something flapping?

Etc.

But if it is all in a book... :?
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@kui2324

I have just checked and been able to locate it. It is the 1983 edition, I have no idea how current it will be. Is that OK?

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By TopCat
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Morten wrote:Unless this is a typo for 'pattern'

It isn't.

As a long-time STEM subject tutor, specialising in getting into students' heads and figuring out why they don't understand, and then finding a way of fixing their often very specific problems, all my instincts scream with horror that there's such a thing.

But maybe there's only one way of teaching flying. Seems a little unlikely to me, but heyho. I'd be interested to hear instructors' experiences with that book.
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TopCat wrote:
Morten wrote:Unless this is a typo for 'pattern'

It isn't.

As a long-time STEM subject tutor, specialising in getting into students' heads and figuring out why they don't understand, and then finding a way of fixing their often very specific problems, all my instincts scream with horror that there's such a thing.

But maybe there's only one way of teaching flying. Seems a little unlikely to me, but heyho. I'd be interested to hear instructors' experiences with that book.


Only just spotted this thread. But felt it worth adding my 2p's worth.

It's a surprisingly useful book. Perhaps the one I found the most help in learning to teach the flight exercises. It's really hard to demonstrate a manoeuvre and, in synch, describe what you are doing, what is happening and what the student needs to be looking for. That's what this book helps with.
Of course you go off piste fairly quickly once a student and their idiosyncrasies are known to you. But knowing what to say and when is key to getting stuff into a student's brain.
Frank Tredrey in Pilots Summer - which is about learning to be an RAF instructor in the 1930's - tells how they had to get the patter word perfect and in perfect synch. The secret is to learn to carry out the manoeuvre at a rate which fits in with how fast you describe it, not the other way round.

I should add that the tutorial stuff and real learning happen on the ground in the brief and debrief (that's the part that is analogous to teaching a STEM subject). The in flight exercises are prove that it does do what you said it would, and to get the student's muscle memory off on the right track - maybe more like doing a demonstration in a physics lab I suppose.

There's more to this instructing malarkey than you might think.
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By TopCat
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lobstaboy wrote:It's really hard to demonstrate a manoeuvre and, in synch, describe what you are doing, what is happening and what the student needs to be looking for. That's what this book helps with
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The secret is to learn to carry out the manoeuvre at a rate which fits in with how fast you describe it, not the other way round.

The purpose of it makes a bit more sense now, thanks.

There's more to this instructing malarkey than you might think.

Possibly. But I've never been under the slightest illusion that it's easy.