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What is the safety case for requiring a skills test to add a microlight rating to my NPPL &c ?

PostPosted:Fri Feb 26, 2016 2:41 pm
by Dodo
What is the safety case for requiring a skills test to add a microlight rating to my NPPL when I already hold a full PPL with microlight difference training signed off in my logbook?

Re: What is the safety case for requiring a skills test to add a microlight rating to my NPPL &c ?

PostPosted:Fri Feb 26, 2016 4:08 pm
by Irv Lee
I think you will find it filed next to the safety case for the national licence holders not being allowed to fly EASA certified or EASA permit aircraft from April 8th 2018.

Re: What is the safety case for requiring a skills test to add a microlight rating to my NPPL &c ?

PostPosted:Fri Feb 26, 2016 11:04 pm
by nickwilcock
The requirements for the holder of another type of pilot licence to obtain a Microlight rating in a NPPL were written before the CAA decided to include the 'differences' clause in the PPL with SEP Class Rating...

The cross-credit document hasn't been updated since the CAA took it into CAP 804; however, if you have a valid pilot licence which already includes Microlight privileges, it should only be a paperwork exercise to issue a NPPL/Microlight on that basis.

Who has told you otherwise?

Re: What is the safety case for requiring a skills test to add a microlight rating to my NPPL &c ?

PostPosted:Sat Feb 27, 2016 9:37 am
by Cookie
You can apply for addition of a Microlight Class Rating to a UK national PPL or NPPL in accordance with CAP 804, Section 5, Part A, Subpart 2, page 7, para 3.13 on the basis of a current SEP class rating with microlight differences training completed, as a paperwork process only. No red tape here :D

3.13 Issue of Microlight Aeroplane Class Rating on the basis of an SEP(Land) Class Rating

Provided that an SEP aeroplane class rating is valid in a UK national licence, an Examiner may revalidate the SEP aircraft class rating as a Microlight aircraft class rating. The Examiner makes the relevant entry in the Certificate of Revalidation page in the holder’s licence, entering the revalidation date in the “Date of Check or Test” column and entering the “Valid To” date as 24 months later. The holder must then apply to PL for the inclusion of the Microlight Class Rating in their licence as the Examiner is not permitted to make entries in the ratings page of the licence.

If the SEP rating or the licence has expired, application for an NPPL with the required ratings should be made to the BMAA (for Microlight) or the LAA for SSEA/SLMG.


Here's the form on the NPPL website - see the final tick box in Section 1 of the form.

I think you will find it filed next to the safety case for the national licence holders not being allowed to fly EASA certified or EASA permit aircraft from April 8th 2018.


Now, there's a Red Tape Challenge!

Cookie

Re: What is the safety case for requiring a skills test to add a microlight rating to my NPPL &c ?

PostPosted:Sat Feb 27, 2016 8:01 pm
by Irv Lee
I can guess what's coming next, just can't guess how long it will take

Re: What is the safety case for requiring a skills test to add a microlight rating to my NPPL &c ?

PostPosted:Sat Feb 27, 2016 9:33 pm
by Dodo
Thanks all. I thought this was what I was told by a microlight instructor when I completed my differences training but I may have misunderstood. I will have a go at the paperwork and report back.

Re: What is the safety case for requiring a skills test to add a microlight rating to my NPPL &c ?

PostPosted:Tue Mar 01, 2016 6:11 am
by Edward Bellamy
Perhaps a silly question, but why would you want to add microlight to your NPPL when you can fly them on your PPL?

Re: What is the safety case for requiring a skills test to add a microlight rating to my NPPL &c ?

PostPosted:Tue Mar 01, 2016 6:41 am
by Irv Lee
Very useful to do so for revalidation reasons, as ssea and microlight hours can be combined to make twelve.

Re: What is the safety case for requiring a skills test to add a microlight rating to my NPPL &c ?

PostPosted:Tue Mar 01, 2016 2:31 pm
by Edward Bellamy
Thanks Irv, I hadn't thought of that...

Presumably that would only be worthwhile though if you were planning on perhaps not keeping your SEP rating valid?

Re: What is the safety case for requiring a skills test to add a microlight rating to my NPPL &c ?

PostPosted:Wed Mar 02, 2016 1:40 am
by kanga
Edward Bellamy wrote:Perhaps a silly question, but why would you want to add microlight to your NPPL when you can fly them on your PPL?


Ironically, of course, some of us have full lifetime ICAO PPLs issued before the microlight class was defined. Any light enough 3-axis was an aeroplane covered by the general SE definition, and powered weightshift did not exist at least as far as the regulators were concerned. Mine theoretically allows me to fly anything from a Gnat to a Chevron, if some owner of either would let me. Oh, and I would also need the signature of a current BoT Examiner to revalidate it .. :roll:

Re: What is the safety case for requiring a skills test to add a microlight rating to my NPPL &c ?

PostPosted:Wed Dec 28, 2016 2:55 am
by chevvron
kanga wrote:
Edward Bellamy wrote:Perhaps a silly question, but why would you want to add microlight to your NPPL when you can fly them on your PPL?


Ironically, of course, some of us have full lifetime ICAO PPLs issued before the microlight class was defined. Any light enough 3-axis was an aeroplane covered by the general SE definition, and powered weightshift did not exist at least as far as the regulators were concerned. Mine theoretically allows me to fly anything from a Gnat to a Chevron, if some owner of either would let me. Oh, and I would also need the signature of a current BoT Examiner to revalidate it .. :roll:

Me too.
When I decided to fly Cyclone AX3s instead of C150/152s, Paul Dewhurst gave me a 1 hour flight to demonstrate any differences and then I was off on my own and able to take passengers.
I've also flown dual in a Hawk and a Hunter 8) ( in that order) which I booked as Pu/t. I've done the same for my dual flights in Wessex, Puma, Gazelle and Lynx helicopters (that was one of the best 'perks' when working in ATC at Farnborough) :wink:

Re: What is the safety case for requiring a skills test to add a microlight rating to my NPPL &c ?

PostPosted:Thu Dec 29, 2016 7:07 pm
by Dodo
A bit of a zombie thread resurrection, but since I originally asked the question the self declaration route has come in allowing use of my UK PPL(A) with microlight differences training to be validated by a self declaration, so I think that there is no longer need to add a microlight rating to my NPPL.

(It was really only for insurance in case of losing a Class 2 medical).