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Re: Reinstate nppl(microlight) to PPL(SEP) pathway

PostPosted:Sun Mar 17, 2019 1:28 pm
by low&slow
Yes, you're right. I had thought that there was some solo nav in there.

Re: Reinstate nppl(microlight) to PPL(SEP) pathway

PostPosted:Sun Mar 17, 2019 1:34 pm
by agfoxx
I've checked with the LAA. So here's the definitive answer.
To convert, you need
3 hours training (min), incl one hour of instrument familiarisation and two hours of stalls and spins
Aircraft general exam
Principles of flight exam
NST
GST

Re: Reinstate nppl(microlight) to PPL(SEP) pathway

PostPosted:Sun Mar 31, 2019 6:38 pm
by Sideslipper
Paul_Sengupta wrote:Also for a UK licence flying a UK non-EASA aeroplane, you don't need an aerobatics rating to fly aerobatics.


Nor do you for aerobatics in an SSDR ML.

Re: Reinstate nppl(microlight) to PPL(SEP) pathway

PostPosted:Mon Apr 01, 2019 10:39 am
by Sooty25
agfoxx wrote:I've checked with the LAA. So here's the definitive answer.
To convert, you need
3 hours training (min), incl one hour of instrument familiarisation and two hours of stalls and spins
Aircraft general exam
Principles of flight exam
NST
GST


interesting, I got quoted "that'll take at least 10 hours" by one school!

Re: Reinstate nppl(microlight) to PPL(SEP) pathway

PostPosted:Mon Apr 01, 2019 12:45 pm
by Irv Lee
Just to be clear to any hopefuls who read page 2 in conjunction with the title, this LAA advice is about Microlight to ssea within the Nppl.
However, there may be scope soon for LAPL changes. When LAPLs first came in, fcl said they could be "short-coursed" on a national basis to keep the French happy about BdB, a change slipped into fcl against all normal procedures, having lost the Basic Lapl vote 26-1. Then with extensions like we had for ssea, i don't think the BdB actually went away but end dates moved. Now Easa seem to be emphasising that nationally driven Lapl course-curtailing ability. We should soon see what it means in practice for nppl holders.... I hope.

Re: Reinstate nppl(microlight) to PPL(SEP) pathway

PostPosted:Tue Apr 02, 2019 9:40 am
by nickwilcock
Regulation (EU) 2019/430 comes into effect on 8 Apr 2019. This concerns the 'Modular LAPL', primarily. Unfortunately, unlike the earlier draft which proposed the concept of 'national' licences, the actual law only applies to the LAPL.

EASA Member States are under no obligation to introduce the Modular LAPL.

There has been no change to the lack of credit for holders of microlight-only pilot licences.

Re: Reinstate nppl(microlight) to PPL(SEP) pathway

PostPosted:Tue Apr 02, 2019 9:44 am
by agfoxx
So - just to be clear - you're saying that, with my freshly minted NPPL SEP (or SSEA, as it probably should be known), I can wave good-bye to the idea of flying EASA aircraft after April next year; and that the door to potential recognition of NPPL SEP or easy conversion is now finally closed?

Re: Reinstate nppl(microlight) to PPL(SEP) pathway

PostPosted:Tue Apr 02, 2019 11:36 am
by Irv Lee
agfoxx wrote:So - just to be clear - you're saying that, with my freshly minted NPPL SEP (or SSEA, as it probably should be known), I can wave good-bye to the idea of flying EASA aircraft after April next year;

No, I don't see any reason for assuming that is the final definite non-extendable end date
agfoxx wrote: and that the door to ... easy conversion is now finally closed?

Well, wait and see what the CAA do with the ability to shorten initial LAPL courses..... I would imagine/hope they will do the maximum not the minimum for already-licensed pilots, but what that will be, I don't know.

Re: Reinstate nppl(microlight) to PPL(SEP) pathway

PostPosted:Fri Aug 09, 2019 8:41 am
by 4535jacks
I was under the impression that significant pressure was being applied to EASA by a number of countries to allow the use of 3-axis microlight hours to count towards PPL and CPL through the consultation process. I thought the French were particularly vocal and that some traction on this was expected.

Luckily I managed to convert NPPL(M) to NPPL(SSEA) to LAPL(A) a few years ago and last year converted LAPL(A) to PPL(A) so I can train towards a CPL(A). In order to qualify for the CPL, I had to re-fly the 90hrs I have on 3-axis microlights and I have done most of this hour-building on permit types (Jodel and Cub) which are as simple as and have the same performance as my 3-axis microlight.

Now I am keen to become a CRI as a stepping stone to FI(A). Although I have the 300hrs TT, 90 are on 3-axis microlights and so I have to wait till I have flown a further 90hrs SEP. This seems silly since as a CRI AFAIK I can teach Microlight to SSEA differences training. Yet my 90hrs of 3-axis microlight flying is seen as irrelevant!!

Re: Reinstate nppl(microlight) to PPL(SEP) pathway

PostPosted:Fri Aug 09, 2019 5:09 pm
by Bathman
I suppose the argument would be there is no such thing as a CRI(microlights) you are doing a CRI course for SEP.

Interestingly t hours flown in a Kolb and a eurostar will count towards an FAA PPL or CPL and in fact I know someone who used his 700 hours of microlight time to get an FAA CPL and now works commercially on that licence flying SEP's and SET's

Re: Reinstate nppl(microlight) to PPL(SEP) pathway

PostPosted:Fri Aug 09, 2019 9:10 pm
by agfoxx
Bathman wrote:I suppose the argument would be there is no such thing as a CRI(microlights) you are doing a CRI course for SEP.

Interestingly t hours flown in a Kolb and a eurostar will count towards an FAA PPL or CPL and in fact I know someone who used his 700 hours of microlight time to get an FAA CPL and now works commercially on that licence flying SEP's and SET's



Interesting... I've asked some American flying schools about whether my Eurostar, Jabiru etc hours would count towards an FAA PPL, and they all said no.

Re: Reinstate nppl(microlight) to PPL(SEP) pathway

PostPosted:Fri Aug 09, 2019 9:28 pm
by Bathman
Try Chandler Air Service in Arizona

Re: Reinstate nppl(microlight) to PPL(SEP) pathway

PostPosted:Sat Aug 10, 2019 6:26 pm
by allout
Try this for NPPL Microlight > PPL(A)SEP:

NPPL(A) Microlight > NPPL(A) SLMG
- CAP804 Part II Section 5 Part A Appendix 1 p8 para 3.1.2

NPPL(A) SLMG > LAPL(S) TMG
- because sailplane conversions are still going, I believe that the Apr 2018 cut off quoted in CAP804 does not apply
- although it is a sailplane licence, no 'pure' sailplane experience is required ( the lack of launch methods prevents it being used for them)
- CAP804 Part I Section 4 Part P p19

LAPL(S) TMG > PPL(A) TMG
- FCL.210.A(c)

PPL(A) TMG > PPL(A) SEP
- FCL.725

Re: Reinstate nppl(microlight) to PPL(SEP) pathway

PostPosted:Sat Aug 10, 2019 9:03 pm
by Genghis the Engineer
agfoxx wrote:
Bathman wrote:I suppose the argument would be there is no such thing as a CRI(microlights) you are doing a CRI course for SEP.

Interestingly t hours flown in a Kolb and a eurostar will count towards an FAA PPL or CPL and in fact I know someone who used his 700 hours of microlight time to get an FAA CPL and now works commercially on that licence flying SEP's and SET's



Interesting... I've asked some American flying schools about whether my Eurostar, Jabiru etc hours would count towards an FAA PPL, and they all said no.


They were counted towards my FAA PPL and CPL. I did my CPL this year in the USA with a very punctilious examiner.

G