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By BrianRoth
#1424089
I'm amazed by all the paperwork that needs to be completed before and after flying. In this day and age, do we really need to go through all of this?

Much of it, the purpose is entirely unknown to or lost on me.

Much of it is duplicated. (And therefore prone to error or inconsistency)

So here goes:

(1) If required, PPR phone calls/log on internet
(2) Fill in the home club/airfield log book, including planned departure time and destination, etc, etc
(3) If land away: Fill in the visited club/airfield log book, including arrival time and originating airfield, blah, etc
(4) Fill in aircraft group logbook, including times for startup, departure, arrival, shutdown and origin and destination, blah, blah
(5) Fill in personal pilots logbook, including times for departure, arrival, and origin and destination, etc, yawn

Then repeat above steps for return flight, yawn, groan.

The above assumes the flight is not international or over water, in which case add:
(6) File flight plan with similar info plus more blah
(7) Police/Customers form with similar data plus plus yawn yawn

Now I understand the need for (4) so that our treasurer knows who to bill and for how much and so we can track hours to next engineering check.

And I understand the need for (5) so that my hours flown and recency can be tracked.

And I understand the need to track aircraft movements.

In this electronic age, do we really need to go through this throwback to the age of the Victorian bank clerk?
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By leiafee
#1424092
At the strip where I'm based 3 and 4 are mainly there so the farmer can go, "Aha! You see we've been here ten years and had loads of movements and no one's even moticed much less raised a fuss so can we have our change-of-use on the nod, please."

Although being a small community they also get used for, "Is everyone down, shall I put the windsock away for the night before I go?" and the rare "So and So's not back yet d'you think someone should check in with them?"
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By Peter Gristwood
#1424953
BrianRoth wrote:
In this electronic age, do we really need to go through this throwback to the age of the Victorian bank clerk?


Not sure which electronic age you are thinking about. We are still in the Bronze Age as far as integrating systems in government agencies and many facilities aren't on line in any event. Don't forget that sub-Saharan Africa has broadband access faster than is promised to my village AFTER the arrival of superfast broadband.

Personally I don't have any problem with the use of paper systems. Booking in and out is almost a social activity and I prefer my paper logbooks, even though my flying is also recorded in electronic format. I can drop my flight bag with the logbooks still undamaged - not sure that would be the case with my laptop..... :lol:
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By grahamgrg
#1636784
You can also add:
5a LAA Aircraft logbook
5b LAA Engine logbook
5c LAA Propellor logbook

My wife reckons I spend twice as much time prepping and recording flights as I do actually flying them. Probably right!
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By PaulB
#1636821
grahamgrg wrote:My wife reckons I spend twice as much time prepping and recording flights as I do actually flying them. Probably right!


My Dad used to smoke a pipe. He certainly spent *far* more time cleaning, filling it, proding the contents of the bowl with a matchstick and lighting it than he ever did smoking it.
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By Genghis the Engineer
#1639266
PaulB wrote:
grahamgrg wrote:My wife reckons I spend twice as much time prepping and recording flights as I do actually flying them. Probably right!


My Dad used to smoke a pipe. He certainly spent *far* more time cleaning, filling it, proding the contents of the bowl with a matchstick and lighting it than he ever did smoking it.


A late uncle, a pipe smoking professor of Chemistry always told me that all that pipe related activity was how he bought time to work out how to answer difficult questions from his students.

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