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Re: UK PPL A ( the old brown one )

PostPosted:Mon Aug 27, 2018 8:11 am
by johnm
The world is changing all the time and usually by messy compromise, whatever the context.

There is a range of licencing and medical options to permit flying in various national and international contexts.

There is an immense amount of data to get a grip of before even taking off.

That's flying in the 21st century, we're not out to play in 1922.

Re: UK PPL A ( the old brown one )

PostPosted:Mon Aug 27, 2018 11:14 am
by flybymike
John I think you qualified after 2000?

The original U.K. CAA PPL was and still is, an ICAO Licence, and was all that was required to fly throughout the world including Europe. The ICAO itself was devised and implemented specifically for that and other internationally recognised purposes. There was no need to fix what wasn’t broken.

It was EASA who suddenly decided that international convention should be dismissed and that only a plethora of Euro licences and ratings were good enough for Euro residents, and even did their best to ground pilots with non EASA licences who had the temerity to want to live and to fly in easaland.
A cynic night say it was job creation but then Kanga would want evidence.

Re: UK PPL A ( the old brown one )

PostPosted:Mon Aug 27, 2018 11:48 am
by johnm
I know the history and the progression through JAR to EASA. I took a JAR PPL with the 5 year renewal when I started. I also know how EASA was established under the EU agreements and how the appointment of Patrick Goudou was a huge mistake that messed up GA in Europe for a decade.

I moved my JAR licence to EASA as soon as the renewal came up if I had an old UK PPL I could have kept both going had I so desired.


However I take the view that if someone didn't fly for more than twenty years when the world was changing fast then coming back is the equivalent of looking to join the age of the Hybrid motorcar on Autoroutes when all your experience is Morris Minor on 1960s A roads!

Re: UK PPL A ( the old brown one )

PostPosted:Mon Aug 27, 2018 1:26 pm
by Irv Lee
Well there has never been any great excuse other than 'politics and power' for
a) not making EASA good enough to be voluntary at private flying level
b) not allowing older licences to continue as they were.
c) having no obvious (genuine) fair appeal system accessible by pilots
The other thing is, the NPPL was kicked off because JAA made the JAA class 2 medicals too stringent. By 2007 the NPPL-SSEA could be used for visits to France with an ICAO medical. In some parallel universe without EASA, it would be interesting to see how far that concept had spread in the past 11 years without the time, pain and money involved in what we have done.