[oldbiggincfi]

TMG ? Is there any advantage in having a TMG rating on my EASA CPL in addition to my SEP (land) rating ?
No problem with flying a TMG as is included on my EASA SPL along with Self Launch /powered sailplanes.
On a recent visit to the CAA when submitting paper work for a FI renewal I asked for TMG privileges to be included on my EASA CPL on the basis that if it was on one EASA licence it should be on the other.
The reply was NO because the TMG rating was only there because of a recommendation from the BGA . That recommendation , on the basis of over 250 hrs flown on SLMG types mostly Fourniers,
Complained , that there was a loss of privileges when converting my UK ATPL to EASA CPL again NO because I didn't ask for it at the time of conversion – there was no tick in a box – if there was a box.
Do I really need to have that privilege ? My UK ATPL is still current and valid .

[low&slow]

One advantage would be to use TMG hours & flights towards SEP revalidation by experience, should you be short on SEP hours.

Another would be to use SEP hours to revalidate a TMG by experience, your TMG privileges on an SPL are subject to the same recency requirements as if on an LAPL(A). In other words you must have flown at least 12 hours, including 12 take-offs & landings, as PIC of a TMG plus a total of at least 1 hour of refresher training with a TMG instructor within the previous 24 months before any TMG flight.

[allout]

+1 to low&slow's note.
CAA were at fault in declining your request - as their fatuous answers showed.

Beware terminology:
Having the TMG extension on your SPL is not, by itself, justification for having a TMG Class Rating on your CPL.
You, I, and the rest of the world know that it is the same aircraft, flown the same way, but the Authorities fly licences, not aircraft, and so see them as quite separate animals.

Suggestion (bit of humble pie):
Approach the CAA again: tell them you made a mistake when converting your UK licence to EASA and should have asked, at the time, for that TMG Class Rating to be included. Now that you'd like the Class Rating on conversion terms, use the same form, SRG1104, include the appropriate evidence & anticipate a fee.

Alternative (post conversion; more complex)
Argue that you meet all the requirements for the issue of a PPL(A) with TMG Class Rating (search CAP804 for FCL.210.A para (c)) and so should not be denied the same Class Rating on your higher licence. Again, a fee.

Need? Depends on how you define 'need' & thus many of the arguments within socialism.

[Balliol]

Low&slow

He has a SPL not a LAPL(S) so the rolling validity isn't applicable

I think as others have said it will require an application for rating issue based on the conversion terms

[oldbiggincfi]

Thanks for the suggestions.
It wasn't obvious on the form SRG1104 that the TMG Rating needed applying for.
I accept to be able to prove experience of Aerobatics for that rating but conversion of a valid UK ATPL would not require proof of night or other ratings required in the issue of an ATPL.
Correct me if I am wrong to assume I can fly the UK definition of SLMG using the privileges of my ATPL with current SEP (A) .
Then why using the EASA definition wasn't TMG also automatically included.

Yes - I tried the humble pie approach much to the amusement of a IR candidate waiting to sit his IR exam seated on the same interview table.

Hope he passed !

[allout]

Balliol:
Rolling recency requirements for SPL are identical to those for LAPL(S).
FCL.230.S SPL — Recency requirements
Holders of an SPL shall only exercise the privileges of their licence when complying with the recency requirements in FCL.140.S
FCL.140.S LAPL(S) — Recency requirements
(a) Sailplanes and powered sailplanes. Holders of an LAPL(S) shall only exercise the privileges of their licence on sailplanes or powered sailplanes when they have completed on sailplanes or powered sailplanes, excluding TMGs, in the last 24 months, at least:
(1) 5 hours of flight time as PIC, including 15 launches;
(2) 2 training flights with an instructor.
.......

oldbiggincfi
Ever so sorry, that assumption isn't valid any more - used to be.
Until 2012 there was a sentence in the UK ANO to the effect that a valid SEP Class Rating + motor glider differences training was just fine for flying motor gliders.
After that date, the CAA lost their freedom to do that sort of thing with licence privileges and so it disappeared.

[low&slow]

. . . although re-reading the requirements I see that holders of an (A) licence can use aeroplane hours to maintain TMG recency even if the TMG isn't on the (A) licence.

[allout]

Thanks low&slow; small ray of common sense!

[oldbiggincfi]

. . . although re-reading the requirements I see that holders of an (A) licence can use aeroplane hours to maintain TMG recency even if the TMG isn't on the (A) licence.

As I understand it TMG hours also count towards revalidation of an ( A ) LIcence but only if TMG is amongst the privileges on an EASA licence.
As most of my flying is Gliding or 3 axis Microlight, revalidation or renewal of the SEP ( A) has been by flight test .
The original question was to try to future proof privileges with an eye on possible changes.
With the possibility of 3 Axis Microlight Hours counting for SEP ( A ) in EASA.
The new modern Motor Gliders also look very interesting.

[low&slow]

As I understand it TMG hours also count towards revalidation of an ( A ) LIcence but only if TMG is amongst the privileges on an EASA licence.

Absolutely. I kept an SEP rating valid while flying almost TMG-only for over 10 years that way.

[Balliol]

Balliol:
Rolling recency requirements for SPL are identical to those for LAPL(S).
FCL.230.S SPL — Recency requirements
Holders of an SPL shall only exercise the privileges of their licence when complying with the recency requirements in FCL.140.S
FCL.140.S LAPL(S) — Recency requirements
(a) Sailplanes and powered sailplanes. Holders of an LAPL(S) shall only exercise the privileges of their licence on sailplanes or powered sailplanes when they have completed on sailplanes or powered sailplanes, excluding TMGs, in the last 24 months, at least:
(1) 5 hours of flight time as PIC, including 15 launches;
(2) 2 training flights with an instructor.
.......

oldbiggincfi
Ever so sorry, that assumption isn't valid any more - used to be.
Until 2012 there was a sentence in the UK ANO to the effect that a valid SEP Class Rating + motor glider differences training was just fine for flying motor gliders.
After that date, the CAA lost their freedom to do that sort of thing with licence privileges and so it disappeared.

You're quite right - thank you - hmmm makes me wonder about the SPL I last saw now....!

[allout]

Yup, Balliol, weekend before last I was shown an SPL/TMG that had been signed by an examiner.
We suspect there are quite a few out there.