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By CloudHound
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Interesting newspaper article. It reflects my lived experience with our Health Centre.

It’s time to stand back and ask what GPs are for.

The breakdown between patients and doctors can be solved if we accept the way in which medicine has changed.

The writer, Camilla Cavendish, a former head of the Number 10 Policy Unit, is a Harvard senior fellow

Long before the pandemic struck, one of my favourite GPs told me he was getting out. The nine-minute appointment, the paperwork and rarely seeing the same patient twice, had destroyed the enjoyment he used to get from building trusted relationships. It wasn’t the job he’d signed up for any more.

GPs like my father-in-law, who knew the medical history of entire families, have been replaced by a stranger on zoom. That’s if you’re lucky. If you’re repeatedly fobbed off, as one of my friends was this summer, you might end up in hospital with cancer — which is where she is now. I can’t help thinking that she’d have got better treatment if she’d cut out the middle man.

We patients feel jilted by the doctors we used to regard as our local heroes. But GPs are equally angry, complaining of exhaustion as they are consumed by the NHS’ backlog. Money alone can’t solve this problem: the government is training more GPs, but the numbers don’t go up, because so many are retiring or reducing their hours. Something fundamental has to change.

The stand-off between government and unions isn’t helping. When the BMA describes our precious face-to-face appointments as a “treadmill”, our respect for GPs takes another hit. The BMA turned family doctoring from a vocation into a job in 2004, when it persuaded the government to let GPs give up out-of-hours care with no reduction in pay. Now, it’s encouraging them to go on strike — prompting one hospital consultant I know to ask bitterly whether anyone would notice.

It’s time to stand back and ask what GPs are for. Historically they have had two roles: as a trusted face for patients, and as gatekeepers to a rationed system. Both have eroded. Continuity of care waned after the 2004 decision, even though a recent Norwegian study shows that face-to-face appointments and continuity of care are better for health — and most GPs agree that remote consultations are leading to misdiagnoses.

The gatekeeper role has also changed. When one son emerged from a playground clutching his wrist a few years ago, the GP receptionist sensibly told me to go straight to A&E. When another son hurt his back badly in the first lockdown, I called the three nearest surgeries in a panic. Two didn’t answer. At the third, the GP sounded terrified, and told me to call 999. When I suggested that we were trying not to burden hospitals in the pandemic, she put the phone down.

Some argue GPs are redundant in a world that is increasingly specialised. But those I most respect are the ones who will sometimes admit they don’t know the answer — and openly consult a textbook. Generalists can’t be expected to know everything. But they are still hugely valuable if they can look at the whole person. Elderly bodies often suffer from multiple issues. Afflictions can be both mental and physical. In an ageing, lonely, difficult world, GPs can provide reassurance and treatment. But this kind of conversation doesn’t fit into nine minutes.

This sounds like a recipe for even more work. But not if we stop GPs spending time on the wrong things. Analysis by Becky Malby at South Bank University suggests that 40 per cent of GP appointments pre-Covid were unnecessary, avoidable or could have been done by other staff. These include monitoring test results, writing sick notes and much prescribing. In the London borough of Tower Hamlets, GP and professor Sam Everington says that he relies on the pharmacist to do repeat prescriptions and complex drug reviews, and a practice nurse to lead the management of patients with multiple long-term conditions. This enables him to focus on complex cases — the bit he was really trained for.

Malby has also found that around 5 per cent of patients are “super-attenders”, who use up about 20 per cent of all GP resources. This group includes, as you would expect, the elderly and those suffering from chronic disease. But around half are, in Malby’s words, “struggling with life”. Loneliness, domestic violence and unemployment all trap people into misery, which can spill over into depression. The tragedy is that too many have nowhere else to go.

Suzanne Koven, an American family doctor and author of Letter To A Young Female Physician tells how she changed her approach when she was injured, and her office temporarily doubled the length of her appointments. With more time to chat, she discovered that a patient who had been a repeat attender for many years, had a desperate family history she’d known nothing about. After the woman confided in her, Koven was able to stop prescribing pills and help.

Amid all the heartache and exhaustion, there is perhaps a way out. Good GPs want to treat the whole person, and provide the continuity of care we have lost. That could be restored if they could delegate to a wider team, and we patients came to trust that team as a whole. If the future is going to be monitoring our own blood pressure, and going direct for scans, we will be dealing with a nurse and a physician associate, not a GP. Some practices are already doing this — others have no strategic approach at all. That’s an argument for ending the self-employment status of GPs and making them salaried NHS employees, with clearer hours and job descriptions.

The more that GPs insist they cannot see people face to face, the more they are talking themselves out of a job. But we need them. We spent the past 18 months trying to help “protect the NHS”: now we’d like it to reform, to protect us.
By johnm
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This is a complicated issue, part of the difficulty has been the old discussion about rights and responsibilities.

Patients have become consumers and see GPs not as professionals they should be respecting but as a service they have a right to expect or demand whenever they choose.

The roles of the various components of the health service have changed and got messier. Some services have disappeared or are inadequate and so GPs have less opportunity to triage and pass on. The article highlights one of the worst of these which is mental health management.

My own experience is good but that is because I actively avoid engagement with health services, so if I'm involved there's a really good reason and my Hay Fever management has become routine and via txt and email.

GPs and A&E are the poor bloody infantry of health care and unless the rest of the system is sorted out their situation won't improve.
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By Flyin'Dutch'
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It's 'the system' that v*cked up. Not individual doctors/nurses/health care staff.

There are in the UK more GP consultations now than before the pandemic the vast majority f2f.

To suggest that the rot set in back in 2004, because the compulsion as an individual clinician to provide 24/7 services laughable.

Clearly written by someone with a degree in flower arranging lording it from the House of Lords.

The administrative bolleaux GPs have to put up with is not invented by GPs but rather by the Lords and Masters, as is the underfunding started by her mate 'call me Dave'

Society needs clinicians who can work as clinicians a hell of a lot more than an over bloated HoL filled with cronies.

Maybe she needs to have a long hard look at herself as division of labour has already happened in primary care with health care assistants, nurses, team staff, pharmacists undertaking a lot of the work traditionally done by 'the doctor'

The primary care part of the NHS has been overstretched for decades, the pandemic has been the proverbial straw.
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Flyin'Dutch' wrote:It's 'the system' that v*cked up. Not individual doctors/nurses/health care staff.

The primary care part of the NHS has been overstretched for decades, the pandemic has been the proverbial straw.

Politicians of all stripes have failed the NHS for decades. Instead of leadership and a coherent plan we have had varying degrees of cash thrown at the service with no clear vision of getting value for that money. Nurse training has become more academic, with consequences for entry, and they are not “selling” the careers in healthcare to a youth fixated with being “influencers”.
I have been waiting for a blood test since the end of August - it isn’t “urgent”. Anything that might impact my medical is urgent as far as I’m concerned. Waving a chequebook got me three sets of blood tests, an online private GP consult and two trips to a specialist in that time. I’m very happy to fund my own care but access, without first seeing a GP, is very problematic.
As with many other 21st century problems, we need leadership and long term plans. Bickering between political parties and juvenile points scoring is not serving us at all.
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By johnm
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Bill McCarthy wrote:Too many chiefs, not enough indians


I think that could be said about many large organisations especially in the public sector. It stems from this nonsense that creating a market, however artificial, improves efficiency. It doesn't. Effective management well supported by policy and cash improves efficiency....
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By riverrock
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GP is pretty much the only branch that medical doctors have, that allows family friendly hours. That is the reason that most people I know go down the GP route. Most rotations within a hospital setting are unsustainable with loads of people leaving the profession.
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By Flyin'Dutch'
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riverrock wrote:GP is pretty much the only branch that medical doctors have, that allows family friendly hours. That is the reason that most people I know go down the GP route. Most rotations within a hospital setting are unsustainable with loads of people leaving the profession.


Not sure that is entirely the reason people leave, many at the more senior end do as soon as they can afford to or seriously reduce the number of hours they spend working.

'The System' is totally not geared up to allow people anything resembling a 'normal' life. One of the reasons a great many newly qualified doctors are looking to get out before even getting into speciality training (ftaod - to be a GP further training is required too)
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By rikur_
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I won't claim to know the answer or indeed all the issues, but some recent observations:

1) On a couple of issues recently we've tried to heed the advice of making more use of pharmacists rather than automatically booking a GP appointment. I really struggled to find any simple decision tree on the NHS website for (a) what can a pharmacist help with; (b) when to phone 101; (c) when to go to the GP. We tried the pharmacist as it was the easiest first point of call, but turns out she could help for a 10 year old, but a 9 year old has to see a GP. A week later, two minutes on the phone with a GP, asks a few questions about duration of problem and allergies, and we have a prescription for hydrocortisone which is what the pharmacist would have provided had he been a year older. I think the NHS could do more to make it easier for people to access the NHS in the right way, and it *appears* like we're overly cautious in some areas about requiring prescriptions.

2) It feels to me that GP bundles together two types of care: (1) The sausage factory stuff such as kids with ear infections, eczema, repeat prescriptions etc - which my personal preference would give priority to seeing someone quickly (or indeed at weekends) and not overly concerned about whether it's the same person, or even necessarily in person, etc (2) The more complex long-term or interrelated issues, where I'd value consistency and an experienced GP type, and more than 8 minutes at a time. From the outside, it feels like the process could be reengineered, and make better use of the resources.

3) I fear the GP's waiting room - the airtight 30'c box filled will ailments of 20 strangers. I much prefer current arrangement of standing in the car park waiting to be summoned!

4) As a society we've been tuned to be paranoid. Don't ignore a bit of bloating, it might be bowel cancer. Don't ignore your nervous wee, it might be your prostate. It's probably heat rash, but have a night in A&E in case it's meningitis. I get that early diagnosis helps treatment, but I'm pretty sure that we've evolved from going to the GP if you were in pain, to going to the GP 'just in case this is an early sign of something'

5) My GP experiences have been overwhelmingly positive - but I can see how much it relies upon (a) good individuals (b) sufficient staff (c) the right sort of patients
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By johnm
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Flyin'Dutch' wrote:The admin and management overhead of the NHS is the smallest amongst comparable systems in the group of OECD countries with a similar GDP.

Sorry to break it to you.



That does surprise me I must say!