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By flybymike
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Propwash wrote:I suppose the good news is that so many people getting agitated about something which may or may not actually happen means that they don't have anything serious to worry about instead. :wink:

PW

If the government promised a couple of months ago that it “would never ever happen” you can absolutely guarantee that it will happen.
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By Paul_Sengupta
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flybymike wrote:Some people actually care more about living than dying.


The problem is if people die, they can't do any more living.

flybymike wrote:Do you actually think that all the old folk locked up in their care homes with no family contact ”for their own protection’ are grateful for this?


I can't speak for care homes, but all the people I know in their 70s and 80s would rather live for a few more years than die now by socialising.

Also everyone I know has been very keen indeed on getting vaccinated, even my younger relatives who work in hospitals who jumped at the chance.
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By flybymike
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stevelup wrote:
T67M wrote:
and I include religious beliefs into the "cannot" category.


No, sorry, they can sod right off and back again. What a load of tosh.


Never mind, here is a heart warming example of the new police state attitude to a Christian Good Friday religious service.

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By skydriller
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I dont know. Whats the point of being alive but not living?

If you had told me in March last year I had a year to live, do you think Id have spent this last year "on hold" or do you think Id have decided that rules or no rules, laws or no laws, I was going to see family, friends and as much of the world as I could, blow the consequences? Sure, Id have tried to stay "legal" - I have my own moral code, Im not an anarchist - but I think you would have had to literally lock me up at some point over something.

Ive got the distinct impression over the last year or so that I really dont think about things in the same way as many (most?) others.

Regards, SD..
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By johnm
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Church services have no legal maximum number, the rules are to to keep households separated and wear masks. So if the pews were thinly packed OK but otherwise not OK. Our tiny village church now has chairs instead of pews and that facilitates appropriate grouping and separation.

Like @skydriller we've tried to follow the expert advice rather than the rules per se and so we've had a less constrained time than some. We've travelled but avoided contact with others other than bubbles and so had a manageable level of risk.

Looking forward to concert halls and theatres re-opening in the summer and will bitterly resent any stupidity that puts that at risk again.
By riverrock
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The lockdown law passed by Scottish Gov against churches has been found to be itself, illegal:
https://news.sky.com/story/scottish-chu ... s-12255414

The police have to enforce the law. They can encourage people based on guidance. Here they appear to be enforcing one interpretation of guidance which is a huge overstep.

On the passports, can we just give everyone who refuses a vaccine a red arm band to wear. Wearing of the red armband would stop you going into pubs...
I think yellow badges used to form a similar function
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By lobstaboy
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skydriller wrote:If you had told me in March last year I had a year to live, do you think Id have spent this last year "on hold" ...


... I have my own moral code, Im not an anarchist ...



But that's a false example. No-one was told they only had a year to live.

As we get older the remaining time we have in fact gets more precious, even if infirmity robs us of the ability to 'live' as we once did. There is great satisfaction in reminiscing on a life well lived and in seeing your family thrive and prosper - I doubt many oldies would give those up prematurely by trading them for a few trips to the pub. I bl00dy wouldn't.

Anarchists have their own moral code. It's just different.
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By JAFO
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Propwash wrote:I suppose the good news is that so many people getting agitated about something which may or may not actually happen means that they don't have anything serious to worry about instead. :wink:


Mark Twain wrote:
I have lived a long life and had many troubles, most of which never happened.
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By skydriller
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lobstaboy wrote:There is great satisfaction in reminiscing on a life well lived and in seeing your family thrive and prosper


But thats just it... over the last year that hasnt been allowed to happen!!

Only this morning on the news there was again footage if some chap in his twilight years waving at his (presumably) grandchildren through glass and another of some other poor dear all masked and face shields sitting 3m apart who hadnt been allowed to be in the same room as her daughter since the summer. Its cruel and drives me nuts seeing this stuff, especially now that all of these older folks should have been vaccinated by now anyway.

Sorry, but I just feel there is more to life.
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By johnm
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I have friends who own care homes and one 92 year old who has his wife in a dementia care home.

The care home operators are well aware of the difficulties of isolation but also have to cope with the need to keep COVID out desired by families who typically want their cake and eat it. So not allowing visits is bad, letting COVID in is worse from family perspective.

92 year old has seen his wife once since last September and she doesn’t know him :(

Once I get to the point where I need a constant supply of pills to stay alive, but can’t do much, I hope I’ll have the sense and courage to stop taking the pills ..........
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By Rob P
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I really can't be bothered to read the preceding five pages, nor can I imagine what anyone has found to debate on the topic.

All things being equal, if The Rose & Crown insist on vaccination certificates and The Red Lion don't, I'll be supping at The Rose & Crown for the time being.

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By A4 Pacific
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The discussion has taken an interesting ‘turn’.

For me, the last year of lockdown/isolation etc, has never particularly been about whether my life or health will suffer. It’s been about protecting vulnerable people at the end of a chain of infection that my actions could make me part of.

Only this morning on the news there was again footage if some chap in his twilight years waving at his (presumably) grandchildren through glass and another of some other poor dear all masked and face shields sitting 3m apart who hadnt been allowed to be in the same room as her daughter since the summer. Its cruel and drives me nuts seeing this stuff


Whilst the old folks in a care home may not be afraid to die, having lived a full life. What about those loved ones they leave behind who may cause their infection? Personally I’d struggle with the guilt.

What also, about the other occupants at the care home who become part of a chain within the home once the virus is introduced?

Just because I’ve been vaccinated, I don’t see why I should live a life denied to other (younger) people who are currently denied the vaccination.

The only answer is to reduce overall transmission. (Probably by mass vaccination) Once that is achieved, whether or not individuals have been vaccinated becomes far less significant.
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By Charles Hunt
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Probably missing all sorts of subtleties, but surely you can only achieve mass vaccination by vaccinating a very large numbers of individuals.
By A4 Pacific
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Charles Hunt wrote:Probably missing all sorts of subtleties, but surely you can only achieve mass vaccination by vaccinating a very large numbers of individuals.


What is it you think you are missing Charles?