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By nallen
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Bill McCarthy wrote:As an aside - I served for 23 years in the RN, in 6 different frigates, and 2 nuc submarines, in 1 shore establishment (training), and in that time not ONE single crew member was coloured.
In the shore establishment we had to have a bliddy prayers day - that was at 13.00 on a Wednesday, and the order was -“fall out Roman Catholics” !
Changed days indeed.


On the other hand, there were Africans serving in Nelson's fleet -- one of them is depicted in one of the bronze reliefs at the base of Nelson's Column; and there's an extant photo a black Greenwich Pensioner wearing his Trafalgar medal.
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By PeteSpencer
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Paultheparaglider wrote:
PeteSpencer wrote:The Black Boy pub in Bury St Eds had a sign depicting a child of colour which was changed to a mucky Caucasian chimney sweep child in the 1990s after a minor fuss.

Now it seems that’s not good enough ...., :wink:


Just for you, Pete. Check out the bottom right...
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Love it!

Stop press : Local announcement that after a Poll of locals , as a GreeneKing pub, it’s going to be re-named the West Gate , situated as it is just off the junction of Wesgate Street and Out Westgate, the site of the mediaeval West Gate.

Fine choice in the circumstances and everybody’s happy.

Interesting fact : Benjamin Greene, founder of Greene King brewery just up the road on Westgate Street received £500,000 compensation from HMG for his plantations shortly after the abolition of slavery.
The Brewery was ‘outed’ by woke factions at UCL last year : another victim of wokery at its worst and the Brewery caved in.

Time to move on now. :wink:
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By skydriller
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seanxair wrote:This has been raging on not far from me for well over a year now. Head was kidnapped at one point

https://www.derbytelegraph.co.uk/news/local-news/ashbourne-blacks-head-cannot-return-4799785


My googling skills bring up alot of stories about it in the context of the recent BLM protests but very little about its origins (other than it being the unique sign for the pub/hotel/inn from 250+ years ago) or why it is the way it is.
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By Sooty25
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If I'd have been Greene King, I would have just put a planning application in to convert it into flats, and said "sod the lot of you" to the locals.
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By PeteSpencer
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Sooty25 wrote:If I'd have been Greene King, I would have just put a planning application in to convert it into flats, and said "sod the lot of you" to the locals.


It’s one of the smallest pubs around in a tiny terrace in the mediaeval grid .

Big enough for half a flat......, :roll:
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By Sooty25
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PeteSpencer wrote:
Sooty25 wrote:If I'd have been Greene King, I would have just put a planning application in to convert it into flats, and said "sod the lot of you" to the locals.


It’s one of the smallest pubs around in a tiny terrace in the mediaeval grid .

Big enough for half a flat......, :roll:


Ah! what was it's name before it was called Black Boy? was it always a pub?
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By PeteSpencer
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Sooty25 wrote:
PeteSpencer wrote:
Sooty25 wrote:If I'd have been Greene King, I would have just put a planning application in to convert it into flats, and said "sod the lot of you" to the locals.


It’s one of the smallest pubs around in a tiny terrace in the mediaeval grid .

Big enough for half a flat......, :roll:


Ah! what was it's name before it was called Black Boy? was it always a pub?


From memory of previous name kerfuffle in the 90s when its sign was changed from a person of colour, it’s always been the Black Boy , is over 100 yrs old and Greene King was established in 1799.Pub sign until now was:
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By Bill McCarthy
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They’ve already had a go at “Camp Coffee” due to who was serving who on the label - that was “adjusted”. Now, they’ll be back to have another swipe at the bliddy name of it - can’t have anyone saying camp,
“Robertson’s” jam too, fell foul of the PC brigade.
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By romille
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The PC brigade will never be happy, all they want to do is find ways where they feel they can claim the moral high ground and make others feel they should be apologising for the language they use. It really is just a game to satisfy their feelings of superiority, in their own mind.
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By Paultheparaglider
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romille wrote:The PC brigade will never be happy, all they want to do is find ways where they feel they can claim the moral high ground and make others feel they should be apologising for the language they use. It really is just a game to satisfy their feelings of superiority, in their own mind.


This is undoubtedly true to a point. But, it is a bit too black and white for me(in the light / absence of meaning).

There are definitely some real issues out there. And, like most things in life, people come in shades of grey. There may be some that meet the above description, but there are many more who really care about specific issues either from discrimination they have suffered personally, or because they just simply want to see a better world.

You only have to look back at some of the TV programmes from the seventies to realise attitudes have moved on, and with good reason in many cases.

The question for me is how you best achieve real progress. The reality is that a lot of progress has come historically from conflict and not gentle persuasion. Yet, at the same time, some of the holier than thou attitudes surely are a case of one step forward, two steps back. None of us like to be spoken down to or patronised - even when we eventually accept we are wrong.

Further, as an example, even though I accept that a degree of racism is prevalent in society, I suspect all this statue toppling and BLM extremism is like to be more counterproductive than constructive.

I mentioned the film "Hidden Figures" up thread, and I think this is a good example of getting it right. It tells a story without patronising, and makes it clear to any fair minded person - which most are - that racism and sexism are wrong. For me, it sends a far more eloquent message than throwing a statue of Colston into Bristol harbour which only gets my back up.

We need to be careful, though, that we do not let our dislike of extremist political correctness blind us to the very real progress that can still, and should still, be made.
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By riverrock
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"Hidden Figures" also slightly over plays its hand. The entire thread of the movie about not being able to use white bathrooms was made up by the director (in reality, she just used the bathrooms labelled "white" with no controversy). The scene at the end where she is let into the control room as the only black women is also made up for cinematic effect.
I will say that I did enjoy the movie - but did the great true story really need embellished? I guess it won a few Oscars.

There are lots of people now who are trying to be moralists and hold themselves above everyone else, bashing people who don't conform to their particular view of what "morality" looks like. It doesn't help their cause. It just results in a backlash.
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