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By johnm
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There's a whole raft of issues in play and some people have the capacity to do their own risk assessment but most don't.

The risk is people in close proximity can transmit the disease very easily. If they are vaccinated they transmit less and don't get so ill, if they then wear masks and keep apart they transmit even less. If everywhere is kept clean there is less virus to pick up.

Offering determined, consistent and coherent guidance based on those simple facts is what leaders should be doing.

The increased freedom has caused us to be more wary of restaurants and theatres and has resulted in us deciding to leave resuming livery company dinners and increased travel etc until next year....
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By StratoTramp
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johnm wrote:The increased freedom has caused us to be more wary of restaurants and theatres and has resulted in us deciding to leave resuming livery company dinners and increased travel etc until next year....


I still think this is about controlling others. I would think the livery dinners have their own set of rules and private location? It's not freedom if you have to consider johnms livery dinners before you go out for your own dinner.

Why not have a livery BBQ (ok I know BBQ is French for burnt Carp). I made the mistake of "cooking" for 40 at the archery club shoot BBQ in august now they want me to do an Xmas BBQ too as I did such a good job on my tod and as they are worried of going indoors for a traditional Xmas meal (fair enough with some of the demographic I suppose). That said they might all catch a cold outside in winter (though we do frostbite shoots)

I'm struggling for Christmas themed BBQ ideas beyond Reindeer Burgers :lol: not sure that would be a popular choice around Xmas :P seems a bit mean. Given they are needed for Santas transport.

I really need to do some more shooting rather than fixing arrows and "cooking"
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By Paul_Sengupta
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StratoTramp wrote:I'm struggling for Christmas themed BBQ ideas beyond Reindeer Burgers :lol: not sure that would be a popular choice around Xmas :P seems a bit mean. Given they are needed for Santas transport.


Ikea UK used to put reindeer on at Christmas until they had to withdraw it one year because it was upsetting the children.

The Americans deep fly their turkeys. They use a catering sized cooking oil tin, stick the turkey in, cover it in oil and then put it on the BBQ/fire outdoors and let it cook for some hours. Apparently it's quite nice done that way.
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A point made on TV today was that as current vaccines don't neutralise the virus, so innoculated people can still transmit, we will always have the virus in circulation.

That made me wonder if we're part of a Herd Immunity experiment where masks, social distancing and other measures skew to outcome?
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By StratoTramp
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Must admit @Bill McCarthy , I haven't tried Clout yet (flaming or not). It's basically like golf with arrows (what could go wrong) Rather than shooting at a face you put a pole with an flag on the end quite a distance away and ballistically fire your arrows up into the air towards it.

Not my club but some info here.

https://www.longbow-archers.com/clout.html

I can totally agree with the I know not where they fall bit :lol: achieved my lowest ever score at the club shoot but I was faffing about with food inbetwen.

@Paul_Sengupta I will investigate the deep fried turkey, thanks.
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Robin500 wrote:But take Scotland, they have maintained masks in indoor public spaces, throughout. Has it reduced transmission, no.


Take a look at the map of cases: Scotland is mainly blue with patches of purple, England is mainly purple with patches of blue. Of course, I can't definitely say that's due to masks but something makes the transmission rates different in the two countries. What other measures might have led to that?

I'd say that you're not taking advantage of your time machine. If you'd gone back to check the map a couple of weeks ago, Scotland would have been a deep shade of black. If you jump in the JAFO TM today I'm pretty confident that you'll see continental rates back through the roof in a few weeks too. Masks aren't really helping much in a definitive way across the piece, but sampling specific points in time does confirm our own bias.

One hard fact is that the NHS was never overwhelmed with Covid patients at the peak.

Another is that 6% of hospital beds have patients WITH Covid right now whereas in January it was 30%.

Another is that over 90% of the UK population have antibodies and almost as many are vaccinated.

The majority of 'cases' now are children who are at all but zero risk of serious illness.

The average Covid death is 85 years old with five underlying comorbidities.



I'm drawing my own conclusions and trying not to rely on my own personal bias of how it might affect me if I catch it and expecting everyone else to dance around for my own convenience and threat risk.
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@eltonioni you must have read the same article as me this morning...........
It also mentions that the NHS currently has more empty beds than beds occupied by covid cases.
We will, of course, have a winter of crises in our health service. Most winters are. This year we have the double whammy of expected high flu cases, due to a winter of almost no flu (that we know of) and suspicions that the vaccine may be less effective than usual, plus the covid topup that is getting way too much attention, eclisping most other news.
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Authoritative and, I'm sure, scientific advice from the Leader of the House and Lord President of the Council:

"Tory MPs don't need masks as they know each other, says Rees-Mogg"

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-58993387

:wink:
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Gloucestershire Director of Public Health was interviewed on local TV. She reckoned that the very recent huge surge in positive cases here may be attributable in two ways to the false negative PCR tests from the Wolverhampton laboratory, recently reported but possibly an issue for some time. First, infected and infectious people were circulating in the community when they should have been self-isolating (and, by submitting themselves to testing, had implicitly been concerned by their LFT positives and been willing to do so); and second, the apparent surge was from an erroneously low baseline.

Some of this reported here. The local figures (Cheltenham, Tewkesbury, Stroud) from last week are certainly startling:

https://www.gazetteseries.co.uk/news/19 ... lth-chief/

.. with some local stories:

https://www.stroudnewsandjournal.co.uk/ ... cent-week/

https://www.gloucestershirelive.co.uk/n ... rk-6094147

https://www.gloucestershirelive.co.uk/n ... 28-6096312

https://www.gloucestershirelive.co.uk/n ... 91-6096635

https://www.gloucestershirelive.co.uk/n ... re-6087940
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