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By johnm
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#1871350
No Man is an Island'

No man is an island entire of itself; every man
is a piece of the continent, a part of the main;
if a clod be washed away by the sea, Europe
is the less, as well as if a promontory were, as
well as any manner of thy friends or of thine
own were; any man's death diminishes me,
because I am involved in mankind.
And therefore never send to know for whom
the bell tolls; it tolls for thee.


Olde English Version
No man is an Iland, intire of itselfe; every man
is a peece of the Continent, a part of the maine;
if a Clod bee washed away by the Sea, Europe
is the lesse, as well as if a Promontorie were, as
well as if a Manor of thy friends or of thine
owne were; any mans death diminishes me,
because I am involved in Mankinde;
And therefore never send to know for whom
the bell tolls; It tolls for thee.

MEDITATION XVII
Devotions upon Emergent Occasions
John Donne
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#1871351
Jim Jones wrote:I spoke today with a colleague who is an A&E specialist, based in Yorkshire.

He tell me that all the patients he admitted to hospital with Covid were unvaccinated.

Some folk who had tested positive, but were vaccinated, presented with some symptoms, but none of them were ill enough to required admission.

Not being vaccinated is foolish I know, but should they be denied the support mask wearing and social distancing can give to reduce their morbidity and mortality?

Yes.
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By flybymike
FLYER Club Member  FLYER Club Member
#1871371
Since we’re waxing philosophical.

If we look at the Bible again, it has another verse that says, “each of us will give an account of himself before God.” (Romans 14:10). This is individual accountability. We cannot be responsible for others’ actions.

In or out of the religious context, we are not other people’s keepers because each person is a living equal of ours. They have individual will and freedom. We cannot “keep” them and be responsible for their actions. They are responsible for their own. Each of us is our own keeper. We are only responsible for others if we ordered them to do something wrong or if we did something to them (just as Cain killed Abel).

Perhaps it’s time to drop this idea of being our brother’s keeper, or at least drop the interpretation of being responsible for others’ decisions and actions. Dropping it does not oppose the idea that we should love our neighbors as ourselves, or that we should treat others as we would want them to treat us. But being a keeper of someone else is not love. It is controlling others. With or without the religious contest, we should still be cognizant of personal responsibility. Because even while we are on this earth, the verse is very much relevant that we will each make an account of ourselves, individually. Because that is what justice really means – not that “social justice” horse manure.


https://www.getrealphilippines.com/2019 ... rs-keeper/
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#1871454
TopCat wrote:The problem with all this libertarianism, as I've said before, is that people insist on rights without responsibilities.


You are right. We need more crash helmet laws if people won't protect themselves while driving or walking.

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Paul_Sengupta wrote:...not least of which are speed limits and what you can/can't adorn the front of your car with.

We withdrew the need for "a man with a red flag" because the danger of the new automobile was better understood and there are ways to mitigate the risk.

We are now at the same place with Covid. We understand it a lot more, and we have a proven mitigation measure against the risk: Vaccination.

That people choose not to use that mitigation doesn't shift the risk back to the vaccinated - that would be completely absurd.
#1871533
NigelC wrote:As I posted earlier the offer of vaccination by the NHS and its refusal should signal the end of NHS involvement in Covid-19 treatment for that individual. You are already excluded from certain treatments on the basis of body mass, age being a smoker so its a well established principal.

What if you break your arm/leg have a stroke kidney stone then catch Covid in the hospital off a vaccinated patient or doctor?
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NigelC wrote:As I posted earlier the offer of vaccination by the NHS and its refusal should signal the end of NHS involvement in Covid-19 treatment for that individual. You are already excluded from certain treatments on the basis of body mass, age being a smoker so its a well established principal.


Be thankful that the filthy unvaccinated staff don’t feel the same towards the patients with vaccine complications :thumleft:
#1871561
TravellerBob wrote:UK <--> US Travel back on come November.

Progress.


It's not yet clear whether AZs will be accepted, as FDA has not yet approved it for use in US (according to a Canadian relative)
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