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#1871188
Today's overseas foray: Australia ..

"Anger over Australian travel restrictions" - <whinging Pom>; actually it's an Australian stuck in UK, as well as UK expats in Oz

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-b ... m-58597798

"Man leaves [NSW] Hospital after fighting COVID-19 for 399 days "

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-09-18/ ... /100473324

"How long is too long to wait for contact tracers to get in touch?"

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-09-18/ ... /100472214

"When Jodi Willard tested positive for COVID she isolated at home for 14 days, now she can't get the paperwork she needs to leave"

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-09-17/ ... /100466056

"NSW records 1,351 COVID-19 cases and 12 deaths; Lismore and Albury LGAs go back into lockdown" [Thu 16 Feb]

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-09-16/ ... /100465866

"NSW records 1,284 new COVID-19 cases and 12 deaths as home quarantine trial for international travel announced" [Fri 17 Sep]

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-09-17/ ... /100469532

[more details on one of these stories, my gist..]

"NSW's rules for returning international travellers will change soon — this is what you need to know" - some double-vaccinated NSW-based Australian citizens and residents returning from overseas may (possibly in November) be allowed 1 week's home rather than 2 weeks' hotel quarantine; trial started

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-09-17/ ... /100469932

"Lockdown exposes feelings of 'two cities' emerging within Sydney, Q+A hears" - different rules, enforcement between wealthier suburbs with low rates and poorer ones (home to many 'essential workers') with higher

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-09-17/ ... /100469236

[more details on above..]

"Four arrested at Rookwood Cemetery as Western Sydney leader calls for fairer approach to funerals"

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-09-16/ ... /100468404
#1871214
Still not aware of a single case of C19 being contracted outdoors, anywhere in the world, at any time. Is anyone else? (get Googling lockdown enthusiasts!)
#1871301
The thing is Paul, where's the evidence that they were even contracted at the event, never mind at the outdoors part of the event? What you've mentioned is hundreds of thousands of people who were on public transport and in the pub, using the same toilets and getting jiggy after a few Aperol Spritz's and that's just the event. Presumably, every single one of them were also engaged in daily life before and after and obviously no Scottish football supporter would play tonsil tennis with their mate after an Aperol Spritz so I'll give you that one. :)

On the other hand, people seem pretty confident that we aren't catching it outdoors. HMG even changed their Hands, Face, Space mantra to add Fresh Air onto the end. So, is there some evidence of a single case contracted outdoors or do we have to resort to very specific and unusual circumstances to find one in the ether?

Putting that ramble to one side, it's all nonsense anyway because we're told that this disease is endemic now, so we're all going to catch it. So if you're fit and healthy, bring it on and book a holiday with confidence! If you're not, wear an N95 mask on the beach.
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By skydriller
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#1871303
kanga wrote:"Four arrested at Rookwood Cemetery as Western Sydney leader calls for fairer approach to funerals"

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-09-16/ ... /100468404


If you read the article, it was a 314 Hectare site and the police turned up with riot gear on... 314 Hectares - thats HUGE , well over 750 Acres (many UK farms are not as big as that!!) or 3 square Kilometers.... and there were just 3x funerals happening... so each had a square km to mourn in....Totally Bonkers.
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By Paul_Sengupta
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eltonioni wrote:On the other hand, people seem pretty confident that we aren't catching it outdoors. HMG even changed their Hands, Face, Space mantra to add Fresh Air onto the end.


Yes, absolutely. But there's a difference between being outdoors a couple of metres apart from other people, and being outdoors in close proximity to other people, being breathed over.
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#1871310
There is, but can you catch Covid like that?

I'm struggling to get very excited about it to be fair though Paul. To my mind, so long as you are fit and healthy, you might as well catch it sooner than later now it's all about Delta and all that does (and doesn't) entail.

Covid parties are starting to sound like a good idea, y'know like chicken pox.
#1871327
skydriller wrote:
eltonioni wrote:Covid parties are starting to sound like a good idea, y'know like chicken pox.


That might be pushing it a bit - if vaxxed why try to get it?


You want the honest answer? A lot of people (most?) don't seem to have heard the news - we're all going to catch it. https://www.nature.com/articles/d41586-021-00396-2 .

If they have heard the news, they are refusing to process the reality, perhaps very understandably if they are on the vulnerable list. The reality hasn't shifted though.

If we're vaxxed we might as well get it out of the way while it's not affecting travel or work. Now that Mrs E and I have it behind us we don't have any real concerns about last minute cancellations or isolation affecting work. Basically, that's it, the realisation that there's no escape so hopefully have it at a time when it's not going to ruin other things.

While my slightly tongue-in-cheek idea of a Covid party seems utterly bonkers at first, it might not sound so daft after a bit of a think.
#1871336
I spoke today with a colleague who is an A&E specialist, based in Yorkshire.

He tell me that all the patients he admitted to hospital with Covid were unvaccinated.

Some folk who had tested positive, but were vaccinated, presented with some symptoms, but none of them were ill enough to required admission.

Not being vaccinated is foolish I know, but should they be denied the support mask wearing and social distancing can give to reduce their morbidity and mortality?
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#1871341
Jim Jones wrote:Not being vaccinated is foolish I know, but should they be denied the support mask wearing and social distancing can give to reduce their morbidity and mortality?

Asked in April 2020 - No.

Asked again in Sept 2020 - No.

Asked again post vaccination available - No

Asked again post vaccination "hoaxes" disproved - No

Asked again after seeing what happens to non-vaccinated people - vs - vaccinated people - Yes.

Now we have all done our bit, distancing, masking, vaccinating it's up to folk to make the right call for themselves. There are no real excuses, just made-up ones.
By TopCat
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#1871348
Jim Jones wrote:Not being vaccinated is foolish I know,

It's not just foolish, it's unethical.

There's a lot of garbage floating around Twitter, about personal choice, and the notion that people have the right to take the chance of catching Covid from either the vaxxed or the unvaxxed who can both catch it and spread it.

But the fact remains that an unvaxxed Covid ICU admission will occupy that bed, and the resources to support it, including the medical staff, for an average of weeks, rather than the more usual days. This deprives other very sick people of those resources - and as we're seeing in the USA at the moment, this is creating enormous pressure on the medical services.

It also makes it very difficult to prevent other people - some who will be immunocompromised - in the hospital from catching it from the Covid admissions.

So choosing not to get the vaccine makes it more likely that if you get Covid, you'll get it badly, end up in ICU, and thereby put pressure on resources that wouldn't be needed if your case was much milder, as is likely with a breakthrough case. To say nothing of the appalling emotional toll it takes on the medical staff.

The problem with all this libertarianism, as I've said before, is that people insist on rights without responsibilities. This trend is getting worse, and at this rate, it's not going to end well.
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