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By malcolmfrost
#1796506
kanga wrote:
malcolmfrost wrote:and I wish they would stop covering all the countries in the UK news bulletins. ..


.. because BBC and other radio and TV news bulletins are on media which are read, seen and heard all over UK ? Those in other parts may reasonably complain that those same reports fail sufficiently to clarify at the outset of each item that the details which immediately follow apply only to England

What I said was that the details should be in the regional programmes and I would include regional England as well like South Today for example.
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By kanga
#1796525
malcolmfrost wrote:..
What I said was that the details should be in the regional programmes and I would include regional England as well like South Today for example.


hmm...

AFAIK, major BBC TV and Radio News bulletins (eg BBC1 and R4 at 1800) are seen/heard identically all over UK. BBC1 (but not R4) bulletin is followed by a 'Regional' one from a local studio, eg Central South from Birmingham for us. ITV is similar, but reversed: ITV1 'Regional' is at 1800 (ITV West Bristol for us) followed by National (seen UK wide, AFAIK) at 1830.

If UK Government (deciding only for England in this context) makes some 'newsworthy' change to COVID Regulations, should BBC1 News at 1800

a. not mention it, so as not to bother viewers in Scotland etc whom it doesn't affect ?
b. mention that there has been a change affecting only England, and viewers can get details from their Regional at 1830 ?
c. Gist it at start or at least within 1800 National bulletin, stressing that it affects only England, mentioning that there will be full details within 1830 Regional ?
d. Give full details at start or at least within 1800 National bulletin, stressing that it affects only England ?
e. c. or d., but not bothering to mention that it affects only England ?


.. and if Scottish Government (deciding only for Scotland, of course) makes some analogously 'newsworthy' change to COVID Regulations, should BBC1 News at 1800

a. not mention it, so as not to bother the English etc viewers ?
b. mention that there has been a change affecting only Scotland, and viewers can get details from the Regional at 1830 ?
c. Gist it at start or at least within 1800 National bulletin, stressing that it affects only Scotland, mentioning that there will be full details within 1830 Regional ?
d. Give full details at start or at least within 1800 National bulletin, stressing that it affects only Scotland ?
e. c. or d., but not bothering to mention that it affects only Scotland ?

.. and if the answer should be different in the two cases, why ?

Who'd be a BBC News Editor/Producer .. ? :wink:
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By Miscellaneous
#1796534
All getting a bit pernickety, surely? Do we really need spoon fed to that degree, are we not capable of accepting some responsibility for ourselves and making ourselves aware of local requirement? Even if only to serve self interest?
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By malcolmfrost
#1796541
Miscellaneous wrote:All getting a bit pernickety, surely? Do we really need spoon fed to that degree, are we not capable of accepting some responsibility for ourselves and making ourselves aware of local requirement? Even if only to serve self interest?

The “confusion and lack of clarity” reported by the media suggests we do!
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By JAFO
#1796586
malcolmfrost wrote:The “confusion and lack of clarity” reported by the media suggests we do!


Nope the apparent confusion and lack of clarity reported by the media suggests many things to me but not that the average person in the street needs spoon feeding as they are unable to understand the number 6.
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By Pete L
#1796587
Whilst not having much sympathy for Bozza's bodgers, it seems the message about not getting tested without the official symptoms hasn't got through - one BBC vox pop had somebody turning up for enough days in succession to have determined absolutely they'd either recovered from the virus or never had it - and the modern habit of turning up at A&E as a random source of a second opinion for kids with runny noses rather than after an accident or an emergency hasn't been stamped out by fear of plague.
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By malcolmfrost
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JAFO wrote:
malcolmfrost wrote:The “confusion and lack of clarity” reported by the media suggests we do!


Nope the apparent confusion and lack of clarity reported by the media suggests many things to me but not that the average person in the street needs spoon feeding as they are unable to understand the number 6.

It does seem some of the general public (and even some professional pilots, particularly when going on holiday) don't understand " Don't get a test unless you have symptoms"! They also seem to think that if one person in the family has symptoms you can all get a test........
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By JAFO
#1796593
@malcolmfrost, you're spot on. The reason the testing system is struggling and leaving itself open to criticism on here and in the media is that people are getting a test because someone else might have symptoms or because they're going on holiday or because they're going to see Auntie Maud and don't want to give it to her or have just visited Auntie Maud and think they got it off her.

The tests are bad enough at giving the right answer and the logistics must be massively difficult without them being abused by every halfwit who gets one on the off-chance.

On the day you catch coronavirus, the test will tell you that you don't have it almost every single time. By the time that you get symptoms it is still going to tell a third of people who do have it that they don't. By day 8 the false negative rate is at its best and it is still wrong 20% of the time. That is one in every five infected people with symptoms will be told they don't have coronavirus. It then climbs again and by the time you've had it for three weeks and had symptoms for a fortnight, it will be telling two-thirds of the people who are positive for COVID that they are negative.

That's one of the reasons why I don't understand all of this clamouring for testing. It may give you a picture of what's happening but it's a pretty distorted picture and you're not going to be isolating (or tracking and tracing the contacts of) a pretty large proportion of those who are infected.
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By malcolmfrost
#1796597
There was another vox pop with a father getting really worked up because his son couldn't get a walk up test and had a temperature. Back in the old days, our girls would go to school and come home if their temperature went above 100!! That sort of bug hasn't gone away! Particularly with children, just keep them at home for a day and see what happens.....
If people don't start behaving sensibly it will inevitably be Lockdown-The Sequel
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