I feel my lecture to Med Students coming on..
"Quick, Nurse, the screens.................."
TheFarmer wrote:Rather than fall out about who should or shouldn’t have a willy, why don’t you all go flying. It’s lovely up here.
riverrock wrote: @Melanie Moxon - why can't we separate the language for people who don't have a Y chromosome from those who do, but wish to be identified with those who don't? I think Woman / Man used to do this, with Female / Male more closely describing identity. Can we not go back to that and keep it simple?
riverrock wrote:Cisgender was a word invented by German sexologist in 1994 (I believe) and is a translation from German, using latin roots, to describe someone who is still the same gender as they were born as. It does not describe "someone who was born female" on its own. Instead you have to say "Cisgender mother" or some other descriptive word to say whether that person has a Y chromosome or not. It is really only used in academic and specific activist writing. Its not fit for this purpose.
riverrock wrote:A balance has to be struck when it comes to physical ability. However if somebody said "no you have to compete with the men" I would simply give up the sport and find something else
However others are trying to assert their "right" to play the sport as how they identify.
I grew up playing (full contact) rugby with girls and boys in the same team. As kids, the girls grew faster than the boys up till age 12 (or so) and certainly gave as good as they got. However as kids grew, that was no longer appropriate due to the physical differences, and the girls joined a separate team and league. It has to be recognised there are physical differences that matter. That should be in our language and culture. Trying to airbrush over differences, pretending they don't exist, helps no-one.
On GRCs etc, I believe there is a long awaited review on this due to publish at some point. I suspect that noone has wanted to publish the review (which was completed a few years ago - it just needed a government response) as it would raise the ire of activists.
It isn't fit for purpose that someone can assume a different identity because one day they feel like it (just need to propose that they want to change an attribute of sex) based on the equality act, and change how they identify to others and on official documents, yet to get a Gender Recognition Certificate (to official change gender) you have to go through a much bigger process, which doesn't make sense. There shouldn't be two parallel ways.
The safeguards aren't there in the equality act. There have been examples of male kids trying to use this to get into female changing rooms with the obvious (but legally protected) consequences (they are legally protected in prosing that they change some aspect of sex).
Teachers do their best, create separate changing spaces for these kids, who use them twice before returning to their normal changing room to cause havoc in a different way, bragging to their friends leaving traumatised girls. The balance isn't right .
(1)A person has the protected characteristic of gender reassignment if the person is proposing to undergo, is undergoing or has undergone a process (or part of a process) for the purpose of reassigning the person's sex by changing physiological or other attributes of sex.
(2)A reference to a transsexual person is a reference to a person who has the protected characteristic of gender reassignment.
(3)In relation to the protected characteristic of gender reassignment—
(a)a reference to a person who has a particular protected characteristic is a reference to a transsexual person;
(b)a reference to persons who share a protected characteristic is a reference to transsexual persons.
Someone who is struggling with their identity (which includes a lot of kids) will need to get long term and appropriate support to help them work that out. Almost everyone who struggles with his has wider mental health issues.
There are many examples of people who went down a trans path and later regretted it, as the real underlying issue wasn't gender, but that was an easy thing to put a finger on. In some studies only 2% of kids under 12 who were referred to counselling for gender confusion considered themselves a different gender to what they were born once they reached adulthood (reference from here: https://www.channel4.com/news/factcheck ... -in-the-uk ).
Unfortunately the primary Gender Identity NHS clinic (Tavistock) is currently run by an activist who discourages criticism and has been accused by clinicians working there of forcing kids down transitioning plans too early (https://www.theguardian.com/society/201 ... uits-chaos https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-51806962 ) and using puberty blockers without knowing or describing the risks to patients or their families.
To me, the large amount of trans-activism and visibility is helping no one. It's confusing and harming kids who are struggling with this - not supporting them. It is intentionally provoking reactions in people, rather than encouraging support. People who have transitioned need to be respected and supported, but there is a difference between that and what is currently happening.
rusty eagle wrote:Do these activists make life easier for those like you Melanie, who I assume just want go get on with life in the gender that they feel appropriate (hope that's the right term)?
PeteSpencer wrote:Have you read David/Diana Thomas yet?
Award winner for journalism.
lobstaboy wrote:Melanie you get the prize for the longest post (allowing quotes) ever.
PeteSpencer wrote:It was far too long for me to attempt to study I'm afraid, especially on an iThingy
I'm sure you're right in what you say but I'm kinda sympathetic to Bill's camp.
All the best
Flyingfemme wrote:I hesitate to get involved in case my comments might be taken the wrong way......I mean no disrespect to anyone but I'm genuinely not terribly interested in the sex/gender of anybody else. Unless I am trying to get into their knickers..........As I have have been happily married for three decades that isn't an issue. People are people and they come in a million shades. I don't like liars, cheats or thieves but everyone else is taken as they present and we either have stuff in common, or we don't. People should be allowed to do pretty much whatever they like as long as it doesn't negatively impact others. But framing a law to enforce that becomes the problem...............
Colonel Panic wrote:@Melanie Moxon - Melanie, have you watched Transparent on Amazon Prime? I'd be interested in your thoughts on how it dealt with the topic of transgender in general? I watched all of it a while ago, and have to say I thoroughly enjoyed it. It also broke down some preconceptions that I may have had before seeing it. And I thought that Jeffrey Tambor was excellent.
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