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By avtur3
#1787031
I'm sure there are many here who will be totally dispassionate about this.

However, Today we lost a canine companion of 16years. Today we had to make a decision that we really did not want to make. Our canine companion Monty had been with us for 16 years but he was in very poor health. He had joint and muscle problems, he was almost blind, he was finding it difficult to even use the 2 steps from the back door to the garden.

We had a consultation with the vet about six months ago when we were told his ailments were beyond treatment, all we could do was make him as comfortable as possible for as long as possible.

Today we had to make the heartbreaking decision that with regard to his quality of life, we had reached a point where that was questionable. We sat alongside Monty as the vet did what vets have to do on days like this.

This forum is a cross-section of society so I’m sure there are some who will say ‘only a dog …get over it’. Hopefully, there are others who will understand the scale of loss when an emotional living entity that has been in your life for 16 years is lost. Over 16 years ‘Monty’ brought a lot of fun to a lot of people.

We've known this day has been approaching for some time and wondering what our next move might be, so let me move this post towards 'help & advice'

We have an infant (8 weeks old) in our very close family, we will have contact several times a week so our choice of next dog means we will be very wary of temperament. We are responsible dog owners for over 35 years ... we would never trust a dog on its own with a child. Having said that there are likely to be breeds/crossbreeds which have personality traits and obviously we would like to understand what we are looking at.

Many months ago my wife was set on a 'Cavapoo' when the time came. However, market forces and lockdown have seen the price of Cavapoo puppies reach up to £4k .... that is simply unaffordable and we would not pay that on principle (even if we could afford it) This has motivated us to go to the opposite end of the scale and look at rehoming.

Because of the infant in our lives, Mrs Avtur is against rehoming anything other than a puppy because she is fearful that mistreatment in early life 'may' result in behavioral issues. In principle, I can understand that but does anyone here have any experience., one way or the other

Sorry, we are at a very emotional/confused time .... any thoughts welcome.
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By seanxair
#1787034
It's horrid isn't it. Even for hardened folk like us used to the life cycle of our animals. Monty obviously had a well lived and happy life. Looks like he had better holidays than I do!

I'm vaguely helping a lady at present with her rescue Springer. 2yo show strain rather than working like I'm used to. It is quickly learning to be loved and trained and gaining confidence. I too would always prefer a puppy but there are the occasional gems out there needing homes.

Good luck.
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By nallen
#1787040
It's a horrible thing to have to do, but have to do it we must. Sympathies.

I've met rescue dogs that were as gentle as anything, and pure breeds I wouldn't trust...
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By ArthurG
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Sorry for your loss. I'm much too fond of our dogs. We have had working and pet dogs on the farm over the years and I've had to say goodbye to far too many.

Pip, our best sheepdog was the most painful. If you have not experienced the magic of a dog gathering your flock, I can assure you it forges a human-canine bond like no other. Despite being on the staff, she was a lovable and loyal companion.

Meg, a Lab/Collie cross was the oddest parting. Her hips had given up and it was obviously the kindest course to end her life. The painkillers we put in her meals were not really working well enough any more. It was arranged that I would take her to the Vet (short straw). When we got there, Meg was full of beans and was keen to meet the various patients and generally socialise. I hadn't seen her look so bright for ages and was beginning to wonder what I was doing there when the receptionist told me we were next to see the Vet. With misgivings, I went in, she was injected and I held her as she passed into unconsciousness and beyond. On my return, I told Mrs. G about her miraculous improvement and how torn I had felt about going through with our plan. She had neglected to tell me that she had given Meg a double dose of her regular painkiller as liver damage was not a concern!

Best advice - get another dog.
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By AndyR
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My heart goes out to you.

I lost my Seamus, a couple of months before his 17th birthday, 27 December 2018. I still call our new dog by his name on occasion. All dogs are great companions, but some really do become part of the family. Difficult for non dog owners to comprehend sometimes, but they really do become part of the family and sometimes a best friend.

If you need some canine time in the interim, give me a shout and you can join us for a walk. We are not far away from where I believe you live.

Oh. I vowed I wouldn’t get another dog for a year or two. Baxter came along on 17 February last year. He’s not a replacement, he’s just the next chapter. The house was simply too empty without a dog.
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By Korenwolf
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What a handsome boy, he reminds me of our Brad. We had him in our family for nine years, not "owned" as we had adopted him so technically he still belonged to the animal shelter. He was the perfect family pet, very good with kids and a proper ambassador for crossbreeds everywhere he went. Brad was a labrador/terrier cross, I suppose these days he'd be a "labrerrier" or a "teriador" but to us he was just Brad. Here he is in the later part of his life, we've not had a dog since but we still adopt our companions from the local rescue centre. Do get another dog, when you're ready.

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By JoeC
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Don’t rush to get another dog. Take some time to grieve. A young family changes your outlook. Your needs may change.

We’ve always had rescue dogs. No reason why they should be an issue. When you’re ready, find a provider that uses foster homes so you can see how they live with a family. I agree with your decision not to buy a designer dog. It’s puppy farming and promotes pets as being a fashion accessory.
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By Rob P
#1787064
I can't 'like' your post, obviously.

But I do feel for you. Even though I have never owned a dog. But I have had to make that call for a number of felines, varying in time with us from nine to nineteen years.

Your animals are part of your family. OK they aren't human, they aren't blood relations, but they are longterm friends and companions.

Your home will seem suddenly empty. You have my sympathy.

Rob P
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By mick w
#1787085
Sad time for you :(
My daughter has a Border Terrier bitch , just a year old , she's the most lovely natured Dog you could wish for , & if I ever get another ,it would be my choice . :thumright:
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By JAFO
#1787087
@avtur - I feel for you, I've had to say goodbye to canine companions before and it's very hard. After our last dog, Taz, a rescue crossbreed, we said we'd have a long break and lasted a little over a year before Jack and Max joined our family. Their mother was an RSPCA rescue dog, a Border Collie. A couple of weeks after my boss at the time brought her home he took her for a check-up with the RSPCA and was admonished for letting her put on so much weight. He cut down her food and increased her walks until one Sunday morning in April 2008 they found five puppies in her basket with her. The RSPCA said she'd been spayed. Apparently not.

Jack and Max are 12 now, obviously, and we have said that we will have a considerable break after these two but who knows.

Taz we had rescued when he was about eight or nine, we had no idea of his history. He preferred to be outdoors and he could be very choosy about who he liked and who he didn't, I would not have had children running around near him. A previous rescue dog of mine, Sam, was a Border Collie, Springer Spaniel cross and I thought more of him than I do of most humans I meet. He was about 11 months old when I got him and he'd obviously been mistreated. He was wonderful in every way but would turn on people and bite feet. The vet believed that he had been kicked in the face as his teeth were all brown at the front from the damage inflicted. When we had children I had to take the decision to re-home him as my wife at the time was not certain she could control him with two small children around. It turns out that I should have got rid of her instead but that's yet another story. We live and learn.

The point of my rambling post is to sympathise both with your loss and Mrs Avtur's reluctance to get a rescue dog.

I am definitely having a break after these two, definitely.
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By PeteSpencer
#1787088
When our (relatively young) increasingly crotchety hip dysplasia/ bowel disorder (unresponsive to all the Vet's increasingly expensive ministrations)ridden neurotic Golden bit a chunk out of my 10 year old daughter's face, the cosy family bubble collapsed.

Finding theutil room ankle deep in dog poo every morning with the whole place reeking concentrated the minds brilliantly.

With our kids now terrified of what might happen to them , there was only one course open to us.

We never had another dog but we're now on cats 13 and 14 in 50 years.

Peter :(
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By kanga
#1787129
We've had 4 rescues in succession, 1 informal (office notice board, and the only purebred) and 3 from shelters, the last 2 being Dogs Trust.

The Dogs Trust ones have come with what has proved to be thoroughly reliable evaluations of behaviour and recommendations for suitable or unsuitable new home types (should/should not share house with small children/other dog/cat etc); some of their rescues they will never rehome because of behavioural issues, but equally will never euthanise while healthy.

Before first DT adoption, at least one adult from household must attend a halfday course at our local DT shelter even if they've previously had dogs, and if they have not must also accept a home visit. Observed pre-adoption visits (plural) in fenced off 'paddocks' are enabled and effectively recommended. All dogs are spayed/neutered before adoption, and have up to date 'jabs' microchip (and registration) and vet's inspection (with report), and with a voucher for a thorough check by adopter's vet. All this costs quite a bit, but was reassuringly more serious and thorough than anything done by the local town rescue centre with our first rescue, who let us take it with little check on dog or us; although all went well.

Obviously, others' experiences may vary, but take this as a recommendation for DT.

When people meet our current one (an outrageous flirt!) and ask what breed, I tend to say 'mutt, like myself' :)
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By Trent772
#1787155
We lost Eddie over a year ago, 16 also and devastated Mrs T, she had always said she loved the dog more than me....

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I said we wait until she is ready.

A year ago, she started making noises, so we initially looked at a rescue. We are retired, out in the country, fully dog proof large front garden etc etc. We have another older quiet deaf dog who settles with all and we also have 3 other dogs that regularly visit from friends. Not unusual to have 4 or 5 in the garden playing.

DT said we were unsuitable.

Battersea said it was unlikely.

Another rescue said too many dogs around.

I am afraid I have little or no time for these places now, their staff just seem unenlightened to how people explain their circumstances.

Anyhow, we decided to look around and found a Yorkie cross Cairn litter, did plenty of checking, went to visit and we now have a 1 year old mechanics rag called Woody ( Eddie...Edward.... Edward Woodward... Woody)

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Patience, explore the rescue places for a pup, or carefully start looking. Local vets usually have checked adverts, worth a try.
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By Bill McCarthy
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The best sheepdog I ever had, a sable border collie, developed a stomach tumour which lead to that visit to the vet. I told myself that I must tough it out when the vet came out to do the deed. When the needle went in and her life slipped away I let myself down and wept terribly.