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By Sooty25
#1690465
Do animals have rights?

First we need to establish whether the question refers to legally or morally..

It may be legal to hold the elephant on her own, but is it moral? The wrong people to ask are opposing lawyers as the elephant will then mutate into a cash cow with no feelings to consider. The "owners" need to ask themselves if it is moral.
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By PaulB
#1690484
Sooty25 wrote:Do animals have rights?

First we need to establish whether the question refers to legally or morally..

It may be legal to hold the elephant on her own, but is it moral? The wrong people to ask are opposing lawyers as the elephant will then mutate into a cash cow with no feelings to consider. The "owners" need to ask themselves if it is moral.



The paper in the OP is talking about legal rights.
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By seanxair
#1690488
Nomad63 wrote:It always gets me when some bloke says he is managing the wildlife/forest/habitat, he isnt managing it he is manipulating it


Generally it's called farming (manipulating the landscape which includes wildlife/forest/habitat) and probably feeding you and yours
By Nomad63
#1690489
Yes, but the point is It could be done with a bit more respect for the Land and Creatures it exploits.
I grew up next to a Farm and have visited many, the things that go on are **** shocking
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By Bill McCarthy
#1690493
I went to Edinburgh Zoo a couple of years ago and wish I hadn’t, never again - to any zoo. I wondered if the rhino I saw, up to his knees in mud, was dreaming of the dusty plains of Africa. It brought tears to my eyes. I see them as hellish places.
However, I am in favour of some establishments in their efforts to stop species, on the brink of extinction, from disappearing from the face of the earth.
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By Miscellaneous
#1690496
lobstaboy wrote:...human rights are established by humans too, they don't exist outside of the construct we call 'society'.

Agreed, neither do any rights humans suggest animals have exist outside human society. Any rights animals are said to have are created, or not, by humans. How can humans decide another species has rights, or indeed remove those rights.

The question posed is simply not logical. :?

Humans on the other hand can opt to afford other species protection and I'd suggest what is referred to as rights is no more than protection. :thumleft:
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By PaulB
#1690506
Bill McCarthy wrote:I wondered if the rhino I saw, up to his knees in mud, was dreaming of the dusty plains of Africa.


You’d be lucky to see a rhino in the dusty plains of Africa, and if you did it would probably be hornless (the horn having been removed to reduce the risk of the animal’s killing by poachers.)
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By Sooty25
#1690510
PaulB wrote:
Sooty25 wrote:Do animals have rights?

First we need to establish whether the question refers to legally or morally..

It may be legal to hold the elephant on her own, but is it moral? The wrong people to ask are opposing lawyers as the elephant will then mutate into a cash cow with no feelings to consider. The "owners" need to ask themselves if it is moral.



The paper in the OP is talking about legal rights.


that didn't come across quite how I meant, I should have quoted

a non-profit organisation that is seeking to achieve legal rights for certain animals,


in the case of the solitary elephant, the "owner" should need to be involved in a legal argument over it, they should just know it isn't right.

You could even say the Enstone broiler chickens had better conditions, they lived in company in the only environment they'd ever know. The elephant, even if born in captivity, had previously had company.

Lawyers will buy a Porsche or two off the back of this animal.
By Chris Martyr
#1690512
Bill McCarthy wrote: I wondered if the rhino I saw, up to his knees in mud, was dreaming of the dusty plains of Africa. .


,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,ah but Bill , :D could you prove beyond reasonable doubt that the rhino was not inside his comfort zone though ? [ :wink: ]

The rhino may wish to bring his legal team in on this to defend any unwanted moves to relocate..

How do you know that the rhino wasn't humming that song by Michael Flanders & Donald Swann under his breath and thinking :

" Man , this is cool . Beats that dry, dusty place that I came from and I was always so bloody thirsty the whole time too" .

Try and see his point . :D
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By Bill McCarthy
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There is an answer to the poaching problem - remove their weapons and drop them into the centre of a pride of lions, and while at it, include all wealthy Americans who think it is heroic to shoot a sleeping lion. Shoot with a camera not a gun.
Yes Flare - I always tend to trust creatures on four legs rather than anything on two and that includes the human.
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