riverrock wrote:You've just preached, you've told others they are wrong, and you've said they should be punished.
You really don't see the irony?
I honestly don't see the irony, rr. We may have our wires crossed? I don't see that I have preached.
Where I do see irony is that you use the bible to justify the rugby payer's actions. The significance of what is written in the bible is irrelevant today.
riverrock wrote:We are all informed by our experiences, but some of us are also informed by history, millenia of study and a personal connection to something higher.
I almost agree. The irony here is that those who question something higher are seen as deserving of punishment for being born the way they were. That's the irony. And for you to support than stance is surprising. To use your words; I thought you were better than that.
riverrock wrote:The same texts have been used for millenia to provide a constant, informing and improving people's lives as society has developed.
Absolutely, it's an old habit that dies hard. As with alcohol, if it was 'born' today it would be immediately outlawed.
After millennia it's time for a change, it's way outdated with nothing other than habit acting as life support.
And let's not overlook the harm it's done through the millennia.
riverrock wrote:Dismissing all religion also dismisses or distorts all history and much of human experience.
No, history is written. What is not in stone is that it is fact. Why do you object to written history being challenged and if found to be inaccurate (as is more often the case than not) it being corrected?
riverrock wrote:I'd argue that you have a right to argue your intolerances, but please don't think that yours is the only view. You're better than that.
I don't see that I am arguing an intolerance. I see that I am objecting to an unwarranted (beyond the bible) attack on people simply trying to live their own lives without being persecuted by someone unknown to them…in the name of God.
riverrock wrote:...but if you don't recognise you need help, you wont ask for it.
Now that does take the biscuit for irony!
riverrock wrote:The church I'm part of take the bible as truth, but in the 12 years I've been going to this church, homosexuality was mentioned in a sermon once. We have a number of members who are gay - they know what the bible says, so thats between them and God.
I commend you, your fellow parishioners and the church for the good work you do.