Tue Jul 16, 2019 12:27 pm #1706635
treborsnave wrote:johnm wrote:In general I think the other 27 no longer really care what happens, they've done a fair bit of preparation for no deal and will see how it plays out.
So everyone's well prepared behind the scenes and it looks like no-deal is likely to be a complete whimper as opposed to a bang. Doesn't that defuse a lot of the project fear nonsense?
I do challenge folks on this - if you take the element of fear out of the equation, what are you left with as sensible arguments for remaining?
EDIT- please please don't say peace, no chlorinated chicken or mobile roaming charges...
The fact that a tremendous amount of damage limitation has taken place doesn't mean that there won't be impact. Everything about Brexit has been about damage limitation since there are no benefits except perhaps to the odd disaster capitalist in the short term.
It's not fear that makes me a Remainer it's the joy of being effectively a citizen of 28 countries looking to try and make the world a better place, socially, politically and economically. It's a very hard thing to do, progress is slow, there are many problems, but it's a positive ideal.
If someone could show that Brexit was a positive move in those three ways I would listen, but Brexit has been all about escaping from Fantasy jail into a Fantasy world and has had the side effect of bringing some extremely unpleasant people to prominence..
John Milner Extremely grumpy PPL/IR flying a TB 20 from Gloucestershire