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By Flyin'Dutch'
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Sooty25 wrote:What seems to have been ignored is that before all of that, there was sufficient public unrest regarding our EU membership for the Gov't to actually even consider, and trigger a referendum in the first place.

Nobody knows how much the campaigning affected the vote result, the margin to leave may actually have been larger had there been no campaigning at all, but we do know there was significant prior unrest.


You mean as measured by the number of MPs they have had over the years (2) both by those MPs defecting from the Con-Party; only one of them got in by way of a vote - but he left UKIP some time later.

They managed to get 24 MEPs - out of 73 UK MEP seats.

Or as measured by the number of screaming headlines in the Murdoch owned Red Tops.

There has been anti-EU sentiment in the UK since joining but to say it was 'Public Unrest' might be a tad of an exaggeration.
By Mike Tango
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Sooty25 wrote:What seems to have been ignored is that before all of that, there was sufficient public unrest regarding our EU membership for the Gov't to actually even consider, and trigger a referendum in the first place.


The only unrest of political significance and that which the referendum was meant to address was within the confines of the Conservative Party.
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By Sooty25
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Leodisflyer wrote:https://www.theguardian.com/world/2015/feb/21/majority-electorate-vote-uk-leave-eu-poll

Note the date.


Oh come on! The Guardian is about the most anti-brexit rag out there! Even if it was trustworthy, it shows how little effect the campaigns had.
By johnm
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Sooty25 wrote:
Leodisflyer wrote:https://www.theguardian.com/world/2015/feb/21/majority-electorate-vote-uk-leave-eu-poll

Note the date.


Oh come on! The Guardian is about the most anti-brexit rag out there! Even if it was trustworthy, it shows how little effect the campaigns had.



The Guardian s not a rag it produces reasoned analysis and argument. The term rag is correctly used for the Express, Sun, Mail and Telegraph (which pretends to be respectable but isn’t)
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By Sooty25
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johnm wrote:
Sooty25 wrote:
Leodisflyer wrote:https://www.theguardian.com/world/2015/feb/21/majority-electorate-vote-uk-leave-eu-poll

Note the date.


Oh come on! The Guardian is about the most anti-brexit rag out there! Even if it was trustworthy, it shows how little effect the campaigns had.



The Guardian s not a rag it produces reasoned analysis and argument. The term rag is correctly used for the Express, Sun, Mail and Telegraph (which pretends to be respectable but isn’t)


Still extremely biased of late though.
By johnm
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Sooty25 wrote:
johnm wrote:
Sooty25 wrote:
Oh come on! The Guardian is about the most anti-brexit rag out there! Even if it was trustworthy, it shows how little effect the campaigns had.



The Guardian s not a rag it produces reasoned analysis and argument. The term rag is correctly used for the Express, Sun, Mail and Telegraph (which pretends to be respectable but isn’t)


Still extremely biased of late though.


Not really, like lots of others it hasn’t been able to find a reasoned argument in favour of Brexit :D
By Leodisflyer
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I struggle with the guardian - it does have a definite slant.

The Telegraph, even though it is the in-house magazine of the Conservative Party, used to have some good balanced articles, but has gone completely off the rails due to its obsession with Brexit.

The Times seems to be the most balanced of the lot at the moment.
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By PaulB
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How about the NYT? They've done a piece on which economies will be hardest hit by no deal. No surprises for guess that it'll be ours.

https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/201 ... union.html

Can someone explain tariffs? Who gets the money if a tariff is charged on an import? Is it effectively a tax?
By johnm
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Tariffs are taxes on imports or exports and a way of regulating trade. High tariffs discourage trade, low or non-existent tariffs encourage it. Other factors also apply of course.

For example if we want to be self sufficient in food, we could tax imports and exports to try to ensure that no food comes in or goes out.
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By Leodisflyer
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What I don’t understand is why we are building lorry parks. If I’ve understood correctly then only a small fraction of the current UK lorry fleet will have permits to drive in the EU. Where are the lorries coming from that will need to be parked!
By johnm
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Leodisflyer wrote:What I don’t understand is why we are building lorry parks. If I’ve understood correctly then only a small fraction of the current UK lorry fleet will have permits to drive in the EU. Where are the lorries coming from that will need to be parked!


We’re back to point to point transport in both directions, so a U.K. truck loaded with goodies for Italy can go there, an Italian truck loaded with Parma Ham can come here, but if U.K. is a third country they will be subject to customs checks, so the trucks have to have somewhere to queue for those checks.

It’s only an issue if there’s no deal, so it’s contingency planning, there’s a lot of it about :roll:
By johnm
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Independent describes worst case scenario for U.K. as no deal third country. One of very many reasons why no deal is nuts and Germany plus is best :D
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