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#1663958
The article is paywalled. What's the basis for that suggestion?

Rob P
#1663960
Difficult to know whether the fall in ICE cars is down to the move towards EV or (more likely, I suggest) down to economic cycles and people sitting on their hands until they feel more confident. The switch to WLTP won't have helped deliveries either in the short term.

I still remember being told during Geography A Level in 1976 that the world had reached Peak Oil (production). :wink: :)
#1663972
If anyone here thinks that someone in the developing world (ie anywhere that isnt N America or west Europe) is going to buy an EV in preference to an ICE then they are sorely mistaken...
#1663978
You sure about that?

https://cleantechnica.com/2018/11/03/ch ... es-report/

skydriller wrote:If anyone here thinks that someone in the developing world (ie anywhere that isnt N America or west Europe) is going to buy an EV in preference to an ICE then they are sorely mistaken...
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By PaulB
#1663985
Maybe people are holding off, because, for all models, something with a better range and faster charging is *always* imminent?

Edited to add, I bought my current car thinking that the next one would be an EV. I didn't think I'd still have it ten years later!
#1663996
For what it’s worth - I hired a Toyota Camry hybrid in NZ recently and the fuel consumption was more than a normal ICE outfit. 5.4 litres/100Km. No advantage.
#1664003
As an aside as you mention fuel efficiency:

We have noticed that the average fuel consumption of my partners Diesel ( :shock: ) BMW 1 series has increased from ~5ltr/100km to ~6ltr/100km since the new 80km/hr speed limit has been introduced in France...

Regards, SD..
#1664004
And 3% (and rising) preferred an EV. Which is completely contrary to what you suggested. China is a huge market for EVs, and the sales are constantly rising in double digit percentages every year (sometimes triple digit percentages)


skydriller wrote:
karlbown wrote:You sure about that?
https://cleantechnica.com/2018/11/03/ch ... es-report/


Hmmm....3 %.... and figures from "EV obsession"...

So 97% decided that an ICE was a better solution :thumright:

Regards, SD..
#1664008
skydriller wrote:If anyone here thinks that someone in the developing world (ie anywhere that isnt N America or west Europe) is going to buy an EV in preference to an ICE then they are sorely mistaken...
karlbown wrote:And 3% (and rising) preferred an EV. Which is completely contrary to what you suggested.

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97% bought ICE in China... So how am I wrong exactly?

EVs have a market for sure, but they are not for all yet and will not be in developing countries for a lot longer than in developed countries.
(I hate to say this, but do you visit developing countries - and not just the city? If you did you would understand)

Regards, SD..
#1664010
skydriller wrote:As an aside as you mention fuel efficiency:

We have noticed that the average fuel consumption of my partners Diesel ( :shock: ) BMW 1 series has increased from ~5ltr/100km to ~6ltr/100km since the new 80km/hr speed limit has been introduced in France...

Regards, SD..

Max efficiency of an ICE car is typically around 55mph - will vary 10mph either side of that depending on engine, tyres, aerodynamic drag etc.
A smaller, more aerodynamic car with bigger engine (so needs more fuel to idle) will typically be more efficient at a higher speed.
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