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By OCB
#1542359
kanga wrote:
OCB wrote:...and written by a journo who hasn't shown the slightest evidence of actually gone anywhere outside his tweetisphere.
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I admire the speed of the diligent research into all his filings from his time in London showing to whom he has and has not spoken, and where he has and has not been, in that time. All, presumably, also written and read in the original German .. :roll:


Actually - I did spend some time yesterday searching for articles he's had published in German and English.. For a correspondent who claims to cover the UK and Ireland he doesn't actually turn much in...or maybe he turns them in and then they get buried because they're schiesse? I certainly hope it's not his full time occupation....

I admit I was bored and probably should have been concentrating on the VLAN migration I have on the go.

Feel free to correct me. I didn't spent than much time on it once I couldn't find much... :thumright:
By johnm
FLYER Club Member  FLYER Club Member
#1542363
all 28 countries have agreed" Well not really, far from it, about 80% of EU law derives from qualified majority voting.

Source http://www.consilium.europa.eu/en/counc ... -majority/


Sorry I must have misunderstood. I thought it was axiomatic that the will of the majority was accepted without qualification.......
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By OCB
#1542367
johnm wrote:
all 28 countries have agreed" Well not really, far from it, about 80% of EU law derives from qualified majority voting.

Source http://www.consilium.europa.eu/en/counc ... -majority/


Sorry I must have misunderstood. I thought it was axiomatic that the will of the majority was accepted without qualification.......


Feel free to have a free vote across all Member States. You really think the Union is that popular?
By Bill Haddow
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johnm wrote:
all 28 countries have agreed" Well not really, far from it, about 80% of EU law derives from qualified majority voting.

Source http://www.consilium.europa.eu/en/counc ... -majority/


Sorry I must have misunderstood. I thought it was axiomatic that the will of the majority was accepted without qualification.......


" the will of the majority " is far removed from "all 28 countries have agreed "

Bill H
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By Genghis the Engineer
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A bit like the difference between "The British people agree that", and "The British people have elected a government" right now !

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By johnm
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Sorry I should use more precise language.

EU law is enacted by proposals from the Commission which are agreed by a suitably qualified majority of the Council of Ministers, political representatives of the 28, and endorsed by the directly elected European Parliament. In some cases it is necessary for all countries to agree unanimously .e.g. the final outcome of Brexit.

Proposals can be made in respect of implementation of the already agreed Treaties.

These laws typically affect trade, consumer protection, environment, conservation and safety related issues.
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By Genghis the Engineer
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johnm wrote:It seems one predictionis coming true at least

Yes I saw that, although continue to interpret that as "British employers still refuse to recruit and train British workers".

This is very definitely a malaise that Brexit has brought to the fore - and a few other less visible things like the Wolf Report, that the UK has become too complacent about home grown training and skills development. T'govm't has actually been quite pro-active in trying to solve this if you follow what it's been up to through since the 2010 Wolf report, and through the present developing industrial strategy green paper. But it is very much up against a major and collective ostrich-like-behaviour on the part of most, if not all, of the British private sector.

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By johnm
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Yes I saw that, although continue to interpret that as "British employers still refuse to recruit and train British workers".


That simply is not the case in the seasonal agriculture world. British workers don't want the jobs, don't apply for them and on the rare occasions they are recruited, they don't stay the course. To some extent it's the problem of the benefits system which doesn't encourage taking on seasonal work, but it's also cultural, "why would I work for my money when I don't have to?"

In the 60s and 70s students provided a good deal of seasonal labour and it's not entirely clear why this now tends to be Eastern European students and not UK.
By chevvron
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johnm wrote:
Yes I saw that, although continue to interpret that as "British employers still refuse to recruit and train British workers".


That simply is not the case in the seasonal agriculture world. British workers don't want the jobs, don't apply for them and on the rare occasions they are recruited, they don't stay the course. To some extent it's the problem of the benefits system which doesn't encourage taking on seasonal work, but it's also cultural, "why would I work for my money when I don't have to?"

In the 60s and 70s students provided a good deal of seasonal labour and it's not entirely clear why this now tends to be Eastern European students and not UK.

Maybe a reason to bring back 'directed labour' ie if you're claiming benefits and not looking for a job, you can be directed into some form of work where labour is scarce and if you don't do it, you lose your benefits.
By johnm
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chevvron wrote:
johnm wrote:
Yes I saw that, although continue to interpret that as "British employers still refuse to recruit and train British workers".


That simply is not the case in the seasonal agriculture world. British workers don't want the jobs, don't apply for them and on the rare occasions they are recruited, they don't stay the course. To some extent it's the problem of the benefits system which doesn't encourage taking on seasonal work, but it's also cultural, "why would I work for my money when I don't have to?"

In the 60s and 70s students provided a good deal of seasonal labour and it's not entirely clear why this now tends to be Eastern European students and not UK.

Maybe a reason to bring back 'directed labour' ie if you're claiming benefits and not looking for a job, you can be directed into some form of work where labour is scarce and if you don't do it, you lose your benefits.



It's not as simple as that, in some areas unemployment is really low and so the only source is seasonal migrant labour and thanks to the Brexit induced fall of the pound many seem to be planning on going to Germany and Spain instead. That begs the question why UK workers from high unemployment areas won't travel to do the work. It also lends weight to the view advocated by many that immigration is not a problem as they'll come for work and if it's not worthwhile they won't come.
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By Paul_Sengupta
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kanga wrote:Serious academic studies in Wales have shown that children of Anglophone parents taught in English who do more than the minimum Welsh in school and for longer than the minimum years required end up doing much better in lots of other subjects than those who did only the minima.


So those who are interested in and actively sign up for more subjects than the minimum required do better academically than those who want to just do the minimum and can't wait to get out of there? Hmm. Ok.

kanga wrote:Some reckon it is because learning a different way of expressing an idea at an early age helps train the brain in later complexities.


There's possibly another explanation...

chevvron wrote:Maybe a reason to bring back 'directed labour' ie if you're claiming benefits and not looking for a job, you can be directed into some form of work where labour is scarce and if you don't do it, you lose your benefits.


Try suggesting this to the Corbyn Set on Facebook, see what sort of response you get.

OCB wrote:I am strongly of the opinion that we need to move away from the "production line" cataloging of kids and adopt a holistic "whole child" approach. Give each kid an iPad. Test their times on standard neurophysiological test. That makes sense.
Build teaching milestones around the kid, not the Scottish curriculum.


So move the more capable kids along faster while leaving others behind (albeit at their own pace)? That's not in the spirit of "equal opportunity". Suggest that to the Corbyn Set as well, see what they say! ;-)
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By Jim Jones
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"So move the more capable kids along faster while leaving others behind (albeit at their own pace)? That's not in the spirit of "equal opportunity". Suggest that to the Corbyn Set as well, see what they say! ;-)"

That's exactly what a properly run comprehensive does, and it allows for subject by subject variability. A change in motivation/maturity can be responded to quickly, and aspirations to be in the top set are not discouraged.
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By johnm
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One of the greatest philosophical discussions with socialists is to discuss the implications of the 2 words "equal " and "same" To most socialists treating people equally implies treating them all the same.

I therefore point out that this cannot be right. As all people are different, to treat them equally it is necessary to treat them all differently. Karl Marx allegedly said " From each according to his abilities to each according to his needs" nowhere did he suggest that all people had the same needs or abilities. Misinterpreting that mantra is what has buggered up Socialism for a hundred years :D
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By GolfHotel
#1542546
Genghis the Engineer wrote:
johnm wrote:It seems one predictionis coming true at least

Yes I saw that, although continue to interpret that as "British employers still refuse to recruit and train British workers".

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G


Just how much training do you think would have to be offered to the British worker to get them to apply for the jobs? Do any universities offer a degree in strawberry picking?
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