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By russp
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#1878771
TLRippon wrote:So Let me get this straight:

If you have an NPPL with SSEA rating and you want to upgrade to PPL to fly an LAA homebuilt abroad you need to do a full PPL course including exams?


You don't need a full PPL to fy a LAA homebuilt permit aircraft .. a NPPL(SSEA) is all you need for the UK/France and most of the rest of Europe (various additional permissions may be required for the aircraft for some countries like Spain) . The only reason to get a full PPL is (in general) to get an IMC rating* or fly with more than 4 PoB or to fly Part 21 aircraft to Europe. (Most LAA homebuilds can't be flown IMC anyway)
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By TLRippon
#1878790
Yes understood but having now had the CAA reply on this one the route from NPPL SSEA issued before 2018 to LAPL is a paperwork exercise and a licence issue fee. The ongoing route from LAPL to PPL is the 15 hour route plus skill test as with any LAPL to PPL upgrade
By Bathman
#1878794
TLRippon wrote:
Bathman wrote:NPPL to a LAPL is a 15 hour course

Could you explain that one for me please?


FCL.110.A LAPL(A) – Experience requirements and crediting Regulation (EU) 2018/1119

(a) Applicants for an LAPL(A) shall have completed at least 30 hours of flight instruction on aeroplanes or TMGs, including at least:
(1) 15 hours of dual flight instruction in the class in which the skill test will be taken;
(2) 6 hours of supervised solo flight time, including at least 3 hours of solo cross-countryflight time with at least 1 cross-country flight of at least 150 km (80 NM), during which 1 full stop landing at an aerodrome different from the aerodrome of departure shall bemade.

(b) Refers to LAPL(S) - so not relevant in this case.

(c) Crediting. Applicants with prior experience as PIC may be credited towards the requirements of point (a).
The amount of credit shall be decided by the DTO or the ATO where the pilot undergoes the training course, on the basis of a pre-entry flight test, but shall in any case:
(1) not exceed the total flight time as PIC;
(2) not exceed 50 % of the hours required in point (a);
(3) not include the requirements of point (a)(2).

So

15 hours dual training
6 hours supervised solo inc the solo cross country
By johnm
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#1878797
How is a LAPL better than a NPPL now we aren't in EASA??
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By Paul_Sengupta
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#1878826
johnm wrote:How is a LAPL better than a NPPL now we aren't in EASA??


It has an upgrade path to full PPL.

Though hopefully now we aren't in EASA, the CAA will reinstate a sensible upgrade path from NPPL to PPL.
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By TLRippon
#1878857
Bathman wrote:
TLRippon wrote:
Bathman wrote:NPPL to a LAPL is a 15 hour course

Could you explain that one for me please?


FCL.110.A LAPL(A) – Experience requirements and crediting Regulation (EU) 2018/1119

(a) Applicants for an LAPL(A) shall have completed at least 30 hours of flight instruction on aeroplanes or TMGs, including at least:
(1) 15 hours of dual flight instruction in the class in which the skill test will be taken;
(2) 6 hours of supervised solo flight time, including at least 3 hours of solo cross-countryflight time with at least 1 cross-country flight of at least 150 km (80 NM), during which 1 full stop landing at an aerodrome different from the aerodrome of departure shall bemade.

(b) Refers to LAPL(S) - so not relevant in this case.

(c) Crediting. Applicants with prior experience as PIC may be credited towards the requirements of point (a).
The amount of credit shall be decided by the DTO or the ATO where the pilot undergoes the training course, on the basis of a pre-entry flight test, but shall in any case:
(1) not exceed the total flight time as PIC;
(2) not exceed 50 % of the hours required in point (a);
(3) not include the requirements of point (a)(2).

So

15 hours dual training
6 hours supervised solo inc the solo cross country


Not apparently if the NPPL SSEA was issued before 2018.
By johnm
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#1878865
It seems that NPPL was always UK only, LAPL was EASA only and could be developed into a PPL, so it seems Paul Sengupta is right, now a UK LAPL has no privileges outside the UK it makes more sense to assume that LAPL and NPPL are the same thing and offer a route to PPL from either???
By Bathman
#1878869
TLRippon that is the process to get a LAPL from an NPPL that wasn't issued before April 2018.

Those issued before that date it is a paperwork excercise only.