Fri Aug 06, 2021 6:41 pm
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The core of it goes back to @Adrians Krauklis. His original post comments that he's only ever seen a diagram showing a OHJ from live side - the very one that's in various CAA publications that people have quoted.
Until TopCat's excellent representation of his real-world example, I've not seen anything else (other than some US stuff , eg 45º joins into downwind, which we aren't supposed to do in the UK). To be honest, most of the other diagrams my favourite search engine finds are people's representations in a forum discussion of the subject, not published by any officialdom. The only other representations I've seen of the OP's question are ones that I've put up on the whiteboard myself in the distant past.
Purely personally I'm with JAFO in his short post, other than when flying non-radio into an unmanned private strip , which I haven't done in a couple of decades.
The abc bit of my post that's been criticised was actually a semi-serious attempt to put together a generic textual description of an overhead join from an arbtrary direction into a field with no other means of identifying runway in use beyond windsock and perhaps a signal square.
Nowadays with radios, Safetycom, and mobile phones the overhead join is mostly one of those things, like the whizzwheel, that student pilots in the UK need to know about but rarely, if ever, use once qualified.
Sorry I rattled cages - not my intent. Mea culpa.
Edit: if Pilot magazine can be classed as an offical source, G***le found me this article.
Edit2: CAP413 Chapter 4 para 4.7 gives a more succint description than I did, but the associated figure still presumes a live side join and that's not the point of the OP's question.
TopCat wrote:
All this whataboutery - what's the actual point you're making?
The core of it goes back to @Adrians Krauklis. His original post comments that he's only ever seen a diagram showing a OHJ from live side - the very one that's in various CAA publications that people have quoted.
Until TopCat's excellent representation of his real-world example, I've not seen anything else (other than some US stuff , eg 45º joins into downwind, which we aren't supposed to do in the UK). To be honest, most of the other diagrams my favourite search engine finds are people's representations in a forum discussion of the subject, not published by any officialdom. The only other representations I've seen of the OP's question are ones that I've put up on the whiteboard myself in the distant past.
Purely personally I'm with JAFO in his short post, other than when flying non-radio into an unmanned private strip , which I haven't done in a couple of decades.
The abc bit of my post that's been criticised was actually a semi-serious attempt to put together a generic textual description of an overhead join from an arbtrary direction into a field with no other means of identifying runway in use beyond windsock and perhaps a signal square.
Nowadays with radios, Safetycom, and mobile phones the overhead join is mostly one of those things, like the whizzwheel, that student pilots in the UK need to know about but rarely, if ever, use once qualified.
Sorry I rattled cages - not my intent. Mea culpa.
Edit: if Pilot magazine can be classed as an offical source, G***le found me this article.
Edit2: CAP413 Chapter 4 para 4.7 gives a more succint description than I did, but the associated figure still presumes a live side join and that's not the point of the OP's question.