Harry Brown wrote:
There is no official “Deadside Descending” call in CAP 413
Cap 413 Chapter 4 Figure 2 (p98 in pdf) says "Report DEADSIDE DESCENDING".
as you say, read CAP 413.
And call signs should only be shortened when ATC say so. I have no idea where you got "STUDENT-CD" from - that is wrong.
Also, as this is the student forum, I suggest this isn't the place to debate the merits of the standard OHJ.
Thank you for your response. First of all you say you have no idea where I got “Student CD” from. As a PPL Examiner, FIC instructor and RT Examiner allow me to explain.
The use of the prefix “Student” is well documented in CAP 413, the UK AIP GEN 1.7 AMDT 12/2018 and both the Pooley & AFE Training Manuals. The Student prefix was introduced in the 80s and was originally based on the RAF prefix “TYRO”.
In relation to Student Flights CAP 413 (2.33) states:
Student flights 2.33
On initial contact, student pilots who are flying solo shall
use the callsign prefix ‘STUDENT’. Once acknowledged, it will not normally be necessary for student pilots to use the prefix in subsequent transmissions until making initial contact with other ATSUs, unless they feel they are being instructed to do something with which they are unfamiliar.
Controllers will acknowledge the initial call, again using the prefix, and can be expected, in so far as is practicable, to make due allowance for the limited experience and ability of student pilots in determining the pace and complexity of instructions and/or information which are subsequently passed.
IT THEN GIVES SEVERAL EXAMPLES (I reproduce one)
Walden Tower , STUDENT G-ABCD, on the apron, request taxi for local VFR flight
2.35 Flight Instructors must brief students,
specifically, on the use of this callsign prefix as part of their pre-solo briefing. The use of this callsign prefix is not intended to remove the additional requirement for flight instructors to notify ATSUs separately of ‘first solo’ flights where this is normal practice.
So now you know where I got STUDENT G- ABCD from (hopefully) Ensure you understand the legal definition of MUST
too because you should have been taught this during your training unless you were pre TYRO!.
When, after ATC has first of all abbreviated the full callsign, you may in turn abbreviate your full callsign, as you correctly pointed out and you can be sure that I know that because I've been teaching it for the last 40 years!
My point was, which I think you missed, is when you abbreviate it, it shouldn't be abbreviated to STUDENT G-CD, it abbreviates to STUDENT - CD. CALLSIGNS for AIRCRAFT 2.26 table 10 shows why. See the SPEEDBIRD example and this should explain.