[NewFlyer78]

Hi all,

I’m currently part way into my PPL. Over the weekend, I managed to arrange a flight outside of my training school to get early exposure to nav. The pilot was not a qualified FI but had many hours experience. I got some amazing insight into flight planning, visual nav and also use of nav instruments.

I wanted to ask whether I am entitled to log these hours in my log book considering the value added to my knowledge. I was not the pilot in command.

Grateful for any advice.




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[Balliol]

You can put whatever you want in your logbook for posterity / notes, but can claim no hours against it. All the best,

[AndyR]

Or log them as SNY but do not log the hours.

[Genghis the Engineer]

Like the chaps above said - enter the flights in your logbook, just don't put anything for them in the totals columns. That way you have a record of the learning, but aren't claiming hours that aren't legitimately claimable.

G

[Wicksay]

To extend that question further once qualified I presume it is feasible to hour build towards CPL in any variety of aircraft your licence covers you for along with a check out flight for a different type. Can that include microlights, specifically a C42?

[Genghis the Engineer]

At the moment, microlight hours don't count towards a CPL in EASAland (the Americans are fine with it so long as they're 3-axis controlled).

That might change, but we've been hoping for that change for years, so I'd not hold your breath.

G

[iaindings]

I think the cheapest way to build hours that are valid towards CPL would be a share in an LAA permit type like a Jodel. Can be cheap as chips and the hours (as far as I know!) do count

[BehyBill]

Unfortunatly, you can't log microlight time for anything in EASA land (there is no PPL(M) in EASA ), but you can log 30h in TMGs toward totals for CPL (not PIC) or just go for a tailwheel permit aircraft (e.g. jodels, turbulents...) and love it untill you die

[Irv Lee]

or just go for a tailwheel permit aircraft (e.g. jodels, turbulents...) and love it untill you die

...surely with the right training and attitudes (s)he would survive?

[Wicksay]

.... but you can log 30h in TMGs toward totals for CPL (not PIC)

TMGs ?

[mick w]

.... but you can log 30h in TMGs toward totals for CPL (not PIC)

TMGs ?

Touring Motor Gliders .

[BehyBill]

or just go for a tailwheel permit aircraft (e.g. jodels, turbulents...) and love it untill you die

...surely with the right training and attitudes (s)he would survive?

Even with right training and attitudes, few bites will not hurts that much (last one I got was from a super cub where I left full flaps down after landing, she reminds me with a hit on the head while going out after parking )

....for an aspiring CPL student it is rather a short love story and a divorce,

[VRB_20kt]

Only 30hrs in a TMG count towards a CPL? Is this buried somewhere in part-FCL?

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[BehyBill]

CAA has a ref (what practically matters)
https://www.caa.co.uk/Commercial-industry/Pilot-licences/Training/CPL-modular/CPL-(A)-modular-course---aeroplanes/

Part-FCL (what theoritically matter):
https://www.easa.europa.eu/sites/defaul ... rt-FCL.pdf

SubPartF, FCL.510.A ATPL(A), has a ref
Appendix E. CPL modular course - Aeroplanes, has a ref
Agree nothing in SubPartD which talk about CPL requirements,
Seems intentionally buried

[VRB_20kt]

Interesting - hadn't seen that before. (Still don't believe that TMGs are so different to fly than SEPs)

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