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*****ADVICE NEEDED - Completing PPL but licence being withheld!*****

PostPosted:Thu Feb 08, 2018 12:02 pm
by Pilot Q
Hi, I have been training to obtain my PPL with a flight school in Croatia. I have paid this school up front for flights and training, completed 45 hours flying time including solos, and sat and passed all 9 exams.

When I started the training I flew the DA20 Katana. As I am a big man, the school told me that I need to fly a bigger plane and was given the Cirrus SR20 and remained with this plane until I completed my training.

Now, I am there for night flights and to collect my license, and the school have approached me and surprised me with an additional invoice for the Cirrus. I wasn't informed of the additional costs beforehand and no new contract was given for me to sign. They have told me that if I don't pay they will not give me my license. :(

Can someone please advise what my rights are or what I can do.

Thank you in advance.

Re: *****ADVICE NEEDED - Completing PPL but licence being withheld!*****

PostPosted:Thu Feb 08, 2018 12:46 pm
by Genghis the Engineer
Frankly, consult a local solicitor. This seems to be entirely a matter of Croatian contract law.

G

Re: *****ADVICE NEEDED - Completing PPL but licence being withheld!*****

PostPosted:Thu Feb 08, 2018 1:18 pm
by Flyin'Dutch'
What he said.

Congrats on getting your PPL, sorry to read about your issue with the school-

For them not to discuss the price increase was wrong.

For you not to think that there would be a price difference and to sort that out at the time was very naive.

If they got you through the syllabus and test in 45 hours they have done a good job and you will have saved money over using a less good school.

The only question you have to ask if you would have stopped the training if they had told you the price increase at the time.

Re: *****ADVICE NEEDED - Completing PPL but licence being withheld!*****

PostPosted:Thu Feb 08, 2018 1:34 pm
by Miscellaneous
Not sure what your aim is?

I think it would be difficult to justify not paying any more since you did voluntarily change to the Cirrus.

Providing the difference asked for reflects the difference in operating costs I think you'll struggle to avoid payment and you'll run the risk of costing yourself more in the long run. Not to mention the inconvenience.

If the difference is reasonable I suggest paying it is your best option.

Re: *****ADVICE NEEDED - Completing PPL but licence being withheld!*****

PostPosted:Thu Feb 08, 2018 2:53 pm
by PeteSpencer
If the invoice accurately reflects the uplift in hourly rates from the moment of the change to the Cirrus then I don't see that you've got much choice but to pay up.

However if the invoice appears grossly inflated, then sit down with the school and go through the invoice item by item.

If they still won't budge you have the choice of paying up, collecting your licence and getting on with your life, or,

Seeking Croatian legal advice with inevitably more expense.

But if, as somebody above has pointed out, they've made you a competent pilot in minimum hours then both they and you have done an exceptional job: Pay the money and run,,,,

Good luck

Peter

Re: *****ADVICE NEEDED - Completing PPL but licence being withheld!*****

PostPosted:Fri Feb 09, 2018 2:34 pm
by cockney steve
As others have said......proper, qualified legal advice is needed.
If you really were being ripped- off in the first place (paying Cirrus rates, but getting a Katana ) you may have a moral case , if not a legal one.
Have you tried contacting the Regulatory body that issues licences?

I'm pretty sure it would be illegal in UK, for a training organisation to hold a licence which belongs to a pupil.........they would have to pursue the debt through a Civil Court, whereas the "theft" of a licence is likely to be a Criminal Court matter........You are not in UK....get a Solicitor, preferably find one who flies themselves.

Possibly, you could apply to the Authority for a duplicate/ re-issue.

Re: *****ADVICE NEEDED - Completing PPL but licence being withheld!*****

PostPosted:Tue Feb 13, 2018 7:18 am
by Matth1542
I may be being naive here but if your were in the uk your licence would be issued by the caa not the school you learnt with. Surely that would be the same in croatia so you could just speak to them and get the licence direct?
Or are the school witholding all the paperwork so you cant send it off?

Re: *****ADVICE NEEDED - Completing PPL but licence being withheld!*****

PostPosted:Tue Feb 13, 2018 5:09 pm
by defcribed
You don't specify whether you've passed the skills test or not.

You say that you've flown 45 hours, covered all the syllabus and passed the 9 exams.

Have you done the skills test? Because if not, there's no licence to 'withhold'

In any case I'd be very surprised if the actual licence issue is a matter for the school - would have thought it would be the national CAA. The school could probably make your life difficult by withholding paperwork.

As others have said, it's rather naiive to assume that an SR20 would cost the same as a DA20.

Re: *****ADVICE NEEDED - Completing PPL but licence being withheld!*****

PostPosted:Wed Mar 07, 2018 9:50 pm
by HASELL
Walk away with your logbook.

Re: *****ADVICE NEEDED - Completing PPL but licence being withheld!*****

PostPosted:Sun Mar 25, 2018 6:23 pm
by PeteSpencer
OK, Pilot Q: What was the outcome?

Fe ed back on the myriad requests for advice on here is always welcome/useful....

Peter :wink:
Edit to defeat moronic auto-donk (see other threads)

Re: *****ADVICE NEEDED - Completing PPL but licence being withheld!*****

PostPosted:Sun Mar 25, 2018 8:57 pm
by flybymike
Fe ed back

I think feed back typed as two separate words should defeat the donk

(Yes it did)