Thu Mar 18, 2021 1:25 pm
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MISC
Quite a few,
Do you actually fly?
Quite a few,
Do you actually fly?
ROG wrote:Could you possibly add something to the discussion
Miscellaneous wrote:having to pull is an indication the aeroplane is not ready to fly.
ROG wrote:Air accident investigations--on tele--have had several examples of interruptions on check lists resulting in serious accidents--one was where the crew did not set flaps--can"t remember which airline but a serious incident. Expect some reader with a better knowledge will know the airline.
Sometimes the mistakes made are something a reasonable PPL wouldn"t make.
Every recent Boeing I've flown has a "Take Off Config" alert if the flaps aren't in the take off range 10 degrees from memory. It's very, very difficult to ignore.
A4 Pacific wrote:There are a number of types in which failure to select take off flap could easily kill you.
A4 Pacific wrote:Every recent Boeing I've flown has a "Take Off Config" alert if the flaps aren't in the take off range 10 degrees from memory. It's very, very difficult to ignore.
Not quite as difficult as some would wish to imagine Malcolm.
Perhaps you recall a 737 taking off in the regions (late 90s) without take off flap set? The copilot didn’t recognise the noise he heard as the thrust levers were advanced. Other than he thought it sounded like the decompression warning. The highly experienced captain (not far from retirement) on the other hand did recognise the take-off config warning, and new exactly why they had received it!
His ‘decision’ was to continue the take off as he selected take off flap.
Not for you Malcolm, but for others. It takes a long time on a 737 for the flaps to run to the take-off position. Without flap the aircraft will not fly. On this occasion he, his crew and his passengers got lucky. As he reached the end of the runway the flaps had not reached the take-off position, but there was just enough for the aircraft to fly.
Perhaps that’s what happened on the RAM video?
One of those mistakes even a PPL wouldn’t make!
OTOH, If it reduces drag, it’s bound to reduce fuel burn. The accountants will probably soon be recommending this technique now it’s demonstrated to work!
We had a time on the 777 when the main wheel steering centering was a bit slow so would regularly get a config warning on lining up and being a bit enthusiastic with the thrust levers, particularly on the RR aircraft.