Wed Dec 28, 2016 11:25 am
#1507781
Recently started night flying and had a bit of an experience...
My instructor and I go off into the local area for a familiarisation exercise. We rejoin the circuit for a look at our lovely airfield at night and to check out the PAPI's. On joining the pattern a fellow PPL is solo in the circuit, I assume regaining currency.
We slot in behind him and on our downwind leg I notice that he is extending the downwind leg, I mention this to my instructor who says that this is typical and not a bad idea at night to give you a longer final. He continues his downwind leg so far for a moment I think he is going to leave the ATZ. We follow him round giving lots of space and do a go around, we have given so much space that he is now very very far ahead.
After our go around we are discussing the circuit at night and the differences. I fly a normal circuit extending the downwind leg slightly as advised and turn base. Descending and getting set up, maybe half way through the base leg matey jim virtually out of nowhere flies across me from right to left on his final.
I put on full power, brought 1 stage of flap up and turned right being careful not to stall. Instructor and I both surprised to see him there. Now this wasn't an incredibly close call, but it could easily have been had either of our timings been different.
On the ground the three of us have a chat about what could have happened differently.
Neither my instructor or I heard any radio call from the other chap for downwind or final. That doesn't mean he didn't make them, just neither of us heard him. Knowing that he was doing jumbo finals we should have been looking out for this, but we thought that we had given him so much space that he would be well out the way.
Also there is a cluster of villages to be avoided for noise abatement, usually your base leg keeps you to the left of these villages using the 45 degree from the back of the wing trick. Even extending the downwind leg I kept to the left away from the villages. The other guy was flying so far out that his final approach took him straight over the top of the villages. Somewhere you would not normally be expecting to see someone coming in from. I have always been told to look before making the final turn just in case, but his circuit was so large and such an unusual shape that neither me nor my instructor would have expected him to have been where he was.
I know there are a few things I could have done differently; workload was higher, instructor was explaining things may explain why we missed radio calls if they were made. Should have been eagle eyed knowing he was in the circuit also, thinking we gave him enough time and not hearing him was not enough to conclude that he wasn't there!
What he could do differently, fly a normal circuit pattern.... His circuit was so large, I have seen this discussed on here many times but never actually witnessed it until this event, it strikes me as unnecessary that you would fly such a large circuit also means others may not expect you to be there...
I would assume had an accident have happened it would have been my fault.
Thoughts welcome!
My instructor and I go off into the local area for a familiarisation exercise. We rejoin the circuit for a look at our lovely airfield at night and to check out the PAPI's. On joining the pattern a fellow PPL is solo in the circuit, I assume regaining currency.
We slot in behind him and on our downwind leg I notice that he is extending the downwind leg, I mention this to my instructor who says that this is typical and not a bad idea at night to give you a longer final. He continues his downwind leg so far for a moment I think he is going to leave the ATZ. We follow him round giving lots of space and do a go around, we have given so much space that he is now very very far ahead.
After our go around we are discussing the circuit at night and the differences. I fly a normal circuit extending the downwind leg slightly as advised and turn base. Descending and getting set up, maybe half way through the base leg matey jim virtually out of nowhere flies across me from right to left on his final.
I put on full power, brought 1 stage of flap up and turned right being careful not to stall. Instructor and I both surprised to see him there. Now this wasn't an incredibly close call, but it could easily have been had either of our timings been different.
On the ground the three of us have a chat about what could have happened differently.
Neither my instructor or I heard any radio call from the other chap for downwind or final. That doesn't mean he didn't make them, just neither of us heard him. Knowing that he was doing jumbo finals we should have been looking out for this, but we thought that we had given him so much space that he would be well out the way.
Also there is a cluster of villages to be avoided for noise abatement, usually your base leg keeps you to the left of these villages using the 45 degree from the back of the wing trick. Even extending the downwind leg I kept to the left away from the villages. The other guy was flying so far out that his final approach took him straight over the top of the villages. Somewhere you would not normally be expecting to see someone coming in from. I have always been told to look before making the final turn just in case, but his circuit was so large and such an unusual shape that neither me nor my instructor would have expected him to have been where he was.
I know there are a few things I could have done differently; workload was higher, instructor was explaining things may explain why we missed radio calls if they were made. Should have been eagle eyed knowing he was in the circuit also, thinking we gave him enough time and not hearing him was not enough to conclude that he wasn't there!
What he could do differently, fly a normal circuit pattern.... His circuit was so large, I have seen this discussed on here many times but never actually witnessed it until this event, it strikes me as unnecessary that you would fly such a large circuit also means others may not expect you to be there...
I would assume had an accident have happened it would have been my fault.
Thoughts welcome!