[ROG]

Has anyone out there had an overhead window replaced---as fitted to Hamble BA training school planes. If so could you please advise who fitted and price--thanks.

[Old Pilot]

The Hamble Cherokee's were modded following a circuit collision in Feb 1970.
G-AVNV hit the tail of G-AVNS. Both crews escaped unscathed. NS is still in the UK and flying but NV was sold to a US buyer in 1984.
There was another mid air at the field in 1981.

I'm not sure the window served much purpose as you'd have to swivel your head 180 to use it.





I'm sure any boat chandler with have the required plastic for the window and your engineer should be able to replace it .

[ROG]

Found them very useful --without having to move head much.Certainly an extra safety factor.We have 4 windows in ours--not apparent in your photos.You just have to look upwards.
Still quite a few 180 "s flying-- being capable of both short field and touring use.
There is a list somewhere on google of surviving ex hamble 180 "s. A few seem to have crunched.
Thanks for thought ref boat chandler.

[FLY 7]

I thought both pilots were killed in the Hamble mid-air collision, prompting the urgent modification.

And, I thought the mod included 4 roof lights:
http://i35.photobucket.com/albums/d181/GV51VYL/IMG_4476_GAVNU_PA28_1024.jpg

I learnt to fly fxed wing in a C152 Aerobat that had two roof lights. Very useful for an overhead check.

[beelzebub]

I thought both pilots were killed in the Hamble mid-air collision, prompting the urgent modification.

Indeed.

AAIB report http://www.aaib.gov.uk/cms_resources.cfm?file=/10-1972%20G-AVBI%20and%20G-AVBD%20Part%20C.pdf

[TorqueSplit]

I flew from Hamble 1975-77 as a member of Southampton UAS flying Bulldogs so clearly recall the roof window Cherokees. Lovely airfield right next to the River Hamble and its wonderful pubs!
It was indeed a very busy airfield requiring a good lookout at all times. Very busy circuit traffic. The airfield was just a huge meadow of well manicured grass. Dayglo cones and "cheese wedge" markers were set up to form the runways dependent upon prevailing wind direction.

There was a take off runway and a landing runway marked out with a "sterile" area in between of about 30 yards width. I suppose it gave the budding BA pilots a taste of Heathrow! It had an ATC service which gave mandatory instructions ie no pilot discretion for take off and landing.

Most of us did GH flying over the IOW and we had to route via corridors out and in across Calshot Spit (or Calshit Spot as I once said in a morning ops briefing.) Southampton Airport I recall was not really busy at all, just a few Islanders and Tri-Landers back and forth.

The UAS had a drinking song which was sung to the Monty Python theme tune having a gentle dig at those earnest young men in their blue blazers, white shirts and ties!
Apologies to most of the current BA 747 senior Captains!

Golf Alpha Xray Mike Bravo
I'm twenty one to finals around you go
Flight plan your circuit, chatter on the RT
But keep clear of Bulldogs and keep clear of me

Now I'm a Cherokee pilot, I know I am the best,
I fly my Cherokee northwards, south and east and west
I know I can't to aeros cos aeros make me sick
So twenty degrees of bank is all that I can stick!


Oh.... Golf Alpha etc......

Sad to see the airfield now as acres of wild grassland. The UAS hangar and portakabins are still there however, now occupied by a truck repair company.

Great times

[Old Pilot]

I thought both pilots were killed in the Hamble mid-air collision, prompting the urgent modification.

And, I thought the mod included 4 roof lights:
http://i35.photobucket.com/albums/d181/GV51VYL/IMG_4476_GAVNU_PA28_1024.jpg

I learnt to fly fxed wing in a C152 Aerobat that had two roof lights. Very useful for an overhead check.

The accident involving G-AVNV and G-AVNS was not fatal. It occurred over the Isle of Wight when the prop of NV sliced through NS's rudder.

I'm not sure which prompted the mod with the roof windows.

The Hamble mod is the only one I have encountered anywhere in the world.

Piper must have signed it off with the CAA?

The following PA28-180's were Hamble trainers.Be interesting to here from other owners.

HISTORY
PA-28 180
G-AVAX came to Hamble February 1967, sold May 1984.
G-AVAY came to Hamble February 1967, sold July 1984, went to the United States.
G-AVAZ came to Hamble February 1967, sold 1983.

G-AVBA came to Hamble February 1967, sold ?
G-AVBB came to Hamble March 1967, sold July 1984, went to United States, re-registered as N54590.
G-AVBC came to Hamble March 1967, sold July 1984, went to United States.
G-AVBD came to Hamble March 1967, destroyed in mid-air collision with G-AVBI over Bursledon 27/02/70.
G-AVBE came to Hamble March 1967, sold July 1984, went to United States.
G-AVBG came to Hamble March 1967, sold May 1983.
G-AVBH came to Hamble March 1967, sold July 1983
G-AVBI came to Hamble March 1967, destroyed in mid-air collision with G-AVBD over Bursledon 27/02/70
G-AVBJ came to Hamble March 1967, destroyed in mid-air collision with G-AXZC over Warsash, 30/04/81.

G-AVNM came to Hamble July 1967, sold 1983.
G-AVNN came to Hamble August 1967, sold May 1984.
G-AVNO came to Hamble August 1967, sold 1984.
G-AVNP came to Hamble August 1967, sold 1983.
G-AVNR came to Hamble August 1967, sold May 1984.
G-AVNS came to Hamble August 1967, sold May 1984.
G-AVNT came to Hamble August 1967, sold July 1984.
G-AVNU came to Hamble August 1967, sold 1982.
G-AVNV came to Hamble August 1967, sold July 1984.
G-AVNW came to Hamble August 1967, sold 1984.

PA-28 180E
G-AXZC came to Hamble March 1970, destroyed in mid-air collision with G-AVBJ over Warsash 30/04/81.
G-AXZD came to Hamble March 1970, sold May 1984. Currently based in Hertfordshire.
G-AXZE came to Hamble March 1970, sold July 1984.
G-AXZF came to Hamble March 1970, sold January 1983, went to Carill Aviation, Southampton.

G-AYAA came to Hamble March 1970, sold January 1983.
G-AYAB came to Hamble March 1970, sold January 1983.
G-AYAP came to Hamble May 1970, sold January 1983.
G-AYAR came to Hamble May 1970, sold June 1984.
G-AYAS came to Hamble May 1970, sold May 1984.
G-AYAT came to Hamble May 1970, sold November 1983. Currently based in Norfolk.
G-AYAU came to Hamble June 1970, sold november 1983. Re-registered as G-ONET.
G-AYAV came to Hamble June 1970, sold May 1984.
G-AYAW came to Hamble June 1970, sold May 1984. Currently based at White Waltham.

G-AYBK came to Hamble June 1970, sold July 1984.
G-AYBT came to Hamble July 1970, sold July 1984.

G-AYEE came to Hamble July 1970, sold May 1984.
G-AYEF came to Hamble July 1970, sold May 1983.

There is a great Hamble site at http://www.delscope.demon.co.uk/personal/hamble.htm

[FLY 7]

The accident involving G-AVNV and G-AVNS was not fatal. It occurred over the Isle of Wight when the prop of NV sliced through NS's rudder.

I'm not sure which prompted the mod with the roof windows.

AAIB report http://www.aaib.gov.uk/cms_resources.cfm?file=/10-1972%20G-AVBI%20and%20G-AVBD.pdf

[malcolmfrost]

G-AVNW currently based at Popham

[mictheslik]

G-AYAA is now G-LFSG at Liverpool (I'm training on it). Love the window mod

.mic

[ROG]

G-AVNO is now based at Sarfend--photos on G-INFO.
G-AVNP beleive crashed at Nayland---write off.

Maybe a reunion some time in the summer would be interesting. Always getting ex BA guys looking at ours-telling me they flew it.

[PeteSpencer]

Where did they fit the front RHS window?

Must have been asymmetrically placed to avoid door and latching stuff.

Can't see it in photo: did they just fit three roof windows?

[ROG]

Pete -right as usual. The window above the P2 side is smaller than the others and is triangular --.

[Highland Park]

I saw one at Seething last year in a hangar but can't remember which one it was

[Awful Charlie]

Seem to remember we had one in Bristol Lulsgate in the late 90's for a period - for some reason G-DLTR comes to mind, which used to be G-AYAV, so quite possible