Sun May 15, 2022 10:38 pm
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Is. LAPL medical enough to fly in Europe or do we need a class 2
Pete
Pete
Iceman wrote:Class 2 @letpmar.
Iceman
Smaragd wrote:Surely it depends what you are flying and where. In France (and some other countries), for an aircraft covered by ECAC agreement (eg most LAA permit aircraft) whatever licence/medical combination is valid for the aircraft in the UK is valid (even a PMD!).
patowalker wrote:Smaragd wrote:Surely it depends what you are flying and where. In France (and some other countries), for an aircraft covered by ECAC agreement (eg most LAA permit aircraft) whatever licence/medical combination is valid for the aircraft in the UK is valid (even a PMD!).
Pray tell which other countries accept whatever licence medical combination is valid for the aircraft in the UK.
patowalker wrote:You cannot rely on what the ECAC recommendations say, you have to go to the relative AIP and see how each country implemented them.
russp wrote:The recomendation clearly states 'without any other restrictions other than those stated in the CoA or PtF' - there would appear to be no reason to think this doesnt also cover Licence / Medical requirements unless specificaly excepted as in the case of Ireland.
patowalker wrote:russp wrote:The recomendation clearly states 'without any other restrictions other than those stated in the CoA or PtF' - there would appear to be no reason to think this doesnt also cover Licence / Medical requirements unless specificaly excepted as in the case of Ireland.
I think that is a fanciful interpretation of the wording. It refers solely to the Operating Limitations listed on the CofA or PtF.
russp wrote:So why would the notes make particular reference to the agreement not covering Licencing for Ireland (where we know it doesn't) but no other countries unless the agreement did in fact cover licencing - if the agreement wasn't designed to cover licencing at all it simply wouldn't mention the Irish licencing requirements as that wouldn't be relevant to the question about how the agreement was being applied by the different European countries . It doesnt seem fanciful at all - rather a logical conclusion.
(d) The pilot flying must hold a current licence, valid for use in Ireland or validated for use in Ireland by the IAA
c. the valid medical certificate required by the state of issue, but in any case where no such
certificate is required or where the certificate required is not an ICAO Class 2 or an EU Part-MED
LAPL medical certificate, a minimum of an ICAO Class 2 medical certificate or an EU Part-MED
LAPL medical certificate;
patowalker wrote:russp wrote:So why would the notes make particular reference to the agreement not covering Licencing for Ireland (where we know it doesn't) but no other countries unless the agreement did in fact cover licencing - if the agreement wasn't designed to cover licencing at all it simply wouldn't mention the Irish licencing requirements as that wouldn't be relevant to the question about how the agreement was being applied by the different European countries . It doesnt seem fanciful at all - rather a logical conclusion.
Are you going to wave that survey when you are ramp checked abroad and point to the Irish exception? I suggest you check local regulations before assuming what is valid in the UK is valid in ECAC member states.
For example, this is how the homebuilt recommendation was implemented by the IAA.(d) The pilot flying must hold a current licence, valid for use in Ireland or validated for use in Ireland by the IAA
Validation is covered [urlhttps://www.iaa.ie/docs/default-source/publications/aeronautical-notices/p---personnel-licensing/an-p21-3.pdf?sfvrsn=24ac0df3_8]here[/url].c. the valid medical certificate required by the state of issue, but in any case where no such
certificate is required or where the certificate required is not an ICAO Class 2 or an EU Part-MED
LAPL medical certificate, a minimum of an ICAO Class 2 medical certificate or an EU Part-MED
LAPL medical certificate;
So PMD not acceptable in Ireland.
Article 4
The pilot shall hold a pilot’s licence and associated qualifications entitling him to fly this
aircraft, issued either by the State of registration or an organisation with a delegation by the
said State, or validated or accepted by the said State.