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Brize presentation

PostPosted:Wed Jan 26, 2022 11:45 am
by mcdonaldn507
Guys, this is a presentation I gave to Cambridge Aeros Club last week. In line with positive engagement this is available to any of your flying clubs be it virtually or in person. The safer we can make the airspace the better we all will be.


Re: Brize presentation

PostPosted:Wed Jan 26, 2022 2:33 pm
by xtophe
Constructive comments (hopefully ;) ):
Less acronyms (PD ?, RTC, DASOR)
flyontrack.co.uk no longer exist. It is https://airspacesafety.com/ now
Some of the radar pictures show their age with Lyneham CTR/CTA shown.

Maybe less constructive:
As the absence of transponder and the lack of mode S radar at BZN is a problem, any update on deployment of project Marshall at BZN? Still no ADS-B in ?

Re: Brize presentation

PostPosted:Wed Jan 26, 2022 6:32 pm
by mcdonaldn507
Thanks for the constructive words.

Practise diversion.
Radar training circuit.

Re: Brize presentation

PostPosted:Wed Jan 26, 2022 7:41 pm
by xtophe
xtophe wrote:As the absence of transponder and the lack of mode S radar at BZN is a problem, any update on deployment of project Marshall at BZN? Still no ADS-B in ?


I now had a chance to listen to the Q&A with more useful bits and answer to my question. (No quite yet in case someone else wonder)

Re: Brize presentation

PostPosted:Wed Jan 26, 2022 8:40 pm
by NDB_hold
mcdonaldn507 wrote:Thanks for the constructive words.

Practise diversion.
Radar training circuit.


It’s not that he didn’t understand them, but that most GA pilots wouldn’t. I only learned PD from speaking to Brize ATC on the phone about what I would have called a ‘training approach’.

Re: Brize presentation

PostPosted:Thu Jan 27, 2022 4:56 am
by B1engineer
I cant praise the controllers at Brize enough.
Always extremely helpful and obliging. Helped me a couple of times in declining weather conditions.
Never been refused a transit either.
Keep up the great work!

B1

Re: Brize presentation

PostPosted:Thu Jan 27, 2022 12:04 pm
by PeteSpencer
Hopefully their radio gear has been upgraded now:

Last time I spoke to Brize their R/T was so muffled and unclear and the lady controller was getting so exasperated with my repeated 'say agains' that I began to doubt my a/c radio equipment.

Until my frequency change to Gloucester came through ringing loud and crystal clear..... :wink:

@mcdonaldn507 Good presentation BTW :thumleft:

Re: Brize presentation

PostPosted:Thu Jan 27, 2022 12:26 pm
by mcdonaldn507
xtophe wrote:Constructive comments (hopefully ;) ):
Less acronyms (PD ?, RTC, DASOR)
flyontrack.co.uk no longer exist. It is https://airspacesafety.com/ now
Some of the radar pictures show their age with Lyneham CTR/CTA shown.

Maybe less constructive:
As the absence of transponder and the lack of mode S radar at BZN is a problem, any update on deployment of project Marshall at BZN? Still no ADS-B in ?


We are training on Marshall equipment currently. It will not have ADS-B.

Re: Brize presentation

PostPosted:Thu Jan 27, 2022 1:05 pm
by xtophe
mcdonaldn507 wrote:It will not have ADS-B.

Very sad to hear.
So the brass is all for proposing more controlled airspace but can't be asked to tick the ADS-B in option when ordering a new system.

Re: Brize presentation

PostPosted:Thu Jan 27, 2022 2:07 pm
by AlanM
Good work integrating with GA. It matters and does make a difference.

Bring back MCASD!

Re: Brize presentation

PostPosted:Fri Jan 28, 2022 11:29 am
by mcdonaldn507
B1engineer wrote:I cant praise the controllers at Brize enough.
Always extremely helpful and obliging. Helped me a couple of times in declining weather conditions.
Never been refused a transit either.
Keep up the great work!

B1


Thanks appreciate that

Re: Brize presentation

PostPosted:Fri Jan 28, 2022 11:32 am
by mcdonaldn507
xtophe wrote:
mcdonaldn507 wrote:It will not have ADS-B.

Very sad to hear.
So the brass is all for proposing more controlled airspace but can't be asked to tick the ADS-B in option when ordering a new system.


I believe it wasn’t as simple as ticking a box for ADS-B.

It never is that simple.

Happy to host you at Brize when we are able or coming to your flying club (if you are at one) to discuss.

Re: Brize presentation

PostPosted:Fri Jan 28, 2022 12:06 pm
by TheFarmer
I’ll echo what a couple of others have said.

Being on the southern edge of Brize, I speak with them a lot, and have done for years. They have always (without fail) been helpful, slick, and flexible.

They set the standard, and several others have got a long way to go to get anywhere close.

Re: Brize presentation

PostPosted:Fri Jan 28, 2022 4:32 pm
by Skylaunch2
mcdonaldn507 wrote:
xtophe wrote:
mcdonaldn507 wrote:It will not have ADS-B.

Very sad to hear.
So the brass is all for proposing more controlled airspace but can't be asked to tick the ADS-B in option when ordering a new system.


I believe it wasn’t as simple as ticking a box for ADS-B.

It never is that simple.

Happy to host you at Brize when we are able or coming to your flying club (if you are at one) to discuss.


I hope GliderNet is also incorporated. Brize has really been lacking behind other RAF Units in putting in this small but useful mitigation.

Re: Brize presentation

PostPosted:Sun Jan 30, 2022 8:12 pm
by User72
I've had to route around on more than one occasion - often sounded like an inexperienced controller, at least I will know now what to offer to help get a clearance!