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By Genghis the Engineer
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#1878201
Rob P wrote:
PeteSpencer wrote:(Though I would question the use of shortened call signs in an anonymous and unknown environment)


:scratch:

I don't follow that line of reasoning

If I arrive at Mudtown Smallstrip and their A/G is not operating that day, what benefit is it to the other traffic if the know the first three letter of my callsign are Golf, Bravo Zulu?

Rob P


If there are several aircraft on frequency making traffic calls, and I hear one apparently in my close vicinity, it makes it a lot easier to query the aeroplane who may be a safety threat to me (and I to them) if I can ask by callsign.

G
By PaulisHome
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#1878203
PeteSpencer wrote:
But you're completely ignoring the guy who is not from your airfield , is approaching and may be visiting or just wanting to pass through your overhead and wants to alert peeps in the circuit of his presence.
Call it situational awareness for want of any other term.

Its analogous to a 'first contact' and if he were talking to ATC they would both use full callsign initially,.


No I'm not - that's precisely what I'm thinking of. I'm saying there's no value in using the full callsign (well, very little). If you want to do it on first call OK, if you must, but not thereafter.

One of the things I do is fly gliders and tugs at a gliding airfield with its own frequency. Occasionally we get a call from someone going past, as you describe, and sometimes I'm the person who responds. Since I don't have a pen and paper to hand if I'm in a tug or a glider, then a short callsign is much easier to remember and respond to than a long one.

And even if someone uses a full callsign on first contact, it makes everyone's life easier if they use a shortened one thereafter.

Another thing I do is fly power from an airfield that doesn't have ATC at weekends. There are two types of call that I hear.

1. "Anytown Traffic Golf Alpha Bravo Charlie Delta Downwind Runway 23 Anytown" and
2. "Golf Charlie Delta Downwind 23"

I suggest (2) has exactly as much useful information as (1).

Paul
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By Dave W
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#1878209
Generally agree, Paul - except please do close with the airfield name as I may have missed it first time or it might be clipped. Both very common.

Also, at a SafetyCom field I'm not that interested in people passing by at 2000 ft.
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By PeteSpencer
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#1878218
This thread sure is taking pedantry and obfuscation to a new level:

Does anybody really give a fliegende farke about the extra 500 milliseconds it takes to transmit two extra letters of a callsign or the word 'traffic'? :lol:
By PaulisHome
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#1878225
malcolmfrost wrote:Unless you happen to be in the circuit at Othertown 50 miles away!


Dave W wrote:Generally agree, Paul - except please do close woth the airfield name as I may have missed it first time or it might be clipped. Both very common.


We're not talking about shared frequencies here, but airfields with their own. So you don't need the airfield name at the end (and don't use it if an ATSU is there).

PeteSpencer wrote:Does anybody really give a fliegende farke about the extra 500 milliseconds it takes to transmit two extra letters of a callsign or the word 'traffic'?.


Except it's not an extra 500 mS - it's making the call twice as long.

Paul
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By PeteSpencer
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#1878233
PaulisHome wrote:
PeteSpencer wrote:Does anybody really give a fliegende farke about the extra 500 milliseconds it takes to transmit two extra letters of a callsign or the word 'traffic'?.


Except it's not an extra 500 mS - it's making the call twice as long.

Paul


Really? :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :wall:

Let’s talk about kneeboards :wink: :wink:
Last edited by PeteSpencer on Sun Oct 24, 2021 3:13 pm, edited 1 time in total.
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By Rob P
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Rob P wrote:If I arrive at Mudtown Smallstrip and their A/G is not operating that day, what benefit is it to the other traffic if the know the first three letter of my callsign are Golf, Bravo Zulu?


PeteSpencer wrote:Feel free to do your own thing, Rob -it's a free country. :lol:


I'll take that as "None that I can think of"

Rob P
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By PeteSpencer
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#1878246
Rob P wrote:
PeteSpencer wrote:feel free to do your own thing, Rob -it's a free country. :lol:


I'll take that as "None that I can think of"

Rob P


Like I said:

'feel free to do your own thing, Rob -it's a free country. :lol'
By PaulisHome
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#1878271
PeteSpencer wrote:
PaulisHome wrote:
PeteSpencer wrote:Does anybody really give a fliegende farke about the extra 500 milliseconds it takes to transmit two extra letters of a callsign or the word 'traffic'?.


Except it's not an extra 500 mS - it's making the call twice as long.

Paul


Really? :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :wall:

Let’s talk about kneeboards :wink: :wink:


Yes - see from earlier
1. "Anytown Traffic Golf Alpha Bravo Charlie Delta Downwind Runway 23 Anytown" and
2. "Golf Charlie Delta Downwind 23"

Any specific bit, not long. All together, twice as long.

Paul
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By G-BLEW
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#1878274
PaulisHome wrote:Another thing I do is fly power from an airfield that doesn't have ATC at weekends. There are two types of call that I hear.

1. "Anytown Traffic Golf Alpha Bravo Charlie Delta Downwind Runway 23 Anytown" and
2. "Golf Charlie Delta Downwind 23"


If I tune un and hear 1, I think it's blind transmissions, if I hear 2 I think there's someone to talk to,

Ian
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#1878278
PaulisHome wrote:
Yes - see from earlier
1. "Anytown Traffic Golf Alpha Bravo Charlie Delta Downwind Runway 23 Anytown" and
2. "Golf Charlie Delta Downwind 23"
Any specific bit, not long. All together, twice as long.
Paul


If Anytown is so busy that the 5 second top and tailed RW23 transmission is too long, I'll naff orf and land at Quiet Town.
;-)
Last edited by Straight Level on Sun Oct 24, 2021 9:51 pm, edited 1 time in total.
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By rogerb
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#1878279
Dave W wrote:Generally agree, Paul - except please do close woth the airfield name as I may have missed it first time or it might be clipped. Both very common.

Also, at a SafetyCom field I'm not that interested in people passing by at 2000 ft.


presume agl :-)
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By PeteSpencer
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#1878284
PaulisHome wrote:
PeteSpencer wrote:
PaulisHome wrote:
Except it's not an extra 500 mS - it's making the call twice as long.

Paul


Really? :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :wall:

Let’s talk about kneeboards :wink: :wink:


Yes - see from earlier
1. "Anytown Traffic Golf Alpha Bravo Charlie Delta Downwind Runway 23 Anytown" and
2. "Golf Charlie Delta Downwind 23"

Any specific bit, not long. All together, twice as long.

Paul


2. "Golf Charlie Delta Downwind 23"


Ah, so you're one of these awkward chaps who refuse to top and tail, the very purpose of most of this thread, sacrificing situational awareness , accuracy and safety for speed. :roll:
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