lobstaboy wrote:F70100 wrote:
Assume the instructor flies 2 hours every working day (240 of them) = 480 hours. £40000/480 hrs = £83.33 per hour
That's £83.33 per hour flown.
£83.33/hour is what the student would have to pay. On the figures shown above, the instructor is
at work 1920 hours per year for £36k gross. That's £18.75/hr before deductions.
SteveX wrote:Those assumptions are way off, and of course are just that - assumptions. No FI is on 36k. The odd CFI maybe.
Assume 2 hours a day is way off, more like 4. So straight away we are down to £40/h, but that is indeed just flying, with briefing it is 20/h therefore.
In any case the bottom line is 20-25/hour (for part-time non-salaried) is the norm. It's a very useful top up for anyone with another job, but that's it.
If relevant, 20/h @ 3 a day, 5 a week, 48 weeks would be a pittance £14,400 to be airborne for 720 hours and perhaps briefing/fuelling planes/writing up student notes etc. for the same amount again. Now at £9.22/hour min wage from 2022 that is 78p over min wage. Minus tax over the 12500 allowance.
Meanwhile the schools charge £50/hour on top of rental for tuition................
The question that was asked was "what would the cost of a lesson be if the instructor was paid a proper living wage". With weather cancellations, no shows, trial flights etc, I reckon 480 hours per year wouldn't be far off. Even at 600 hours per year, the cost to the student for the school to provide the instructor would be £66.66/hour.
Sooty25 wrote:you need to factor in the value of the flown hour to the instructor, if he is using it to build hours towards a higher rating himself.
The modular route to a CPL requires 100 hours of hour building. An FI course these days costs around £9k I believe. The value of an hour flown to the instructor needs to be in excess of £90 just to break even! If you can do your 100 hours in an aircraft at less than £90/hour, you're winning.
Don't get me wrong folks, I know how it is in the real world; been there, done that, and come back for some more... I was simply trying to answer the question what would the cost of a lesson be if instructors were paid a "normal" salary. As has already been proved, no-one instructs in GA in the UK for the money.