Mon Jun 14, 2021 1:42 pm
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I don't know whether they've improved but, Brize ATC were always capable of winning an incomprehensible contest. They didn't appreciate being told !
TopCat wrote:I sat in on Andrew Sinclair's FRTOL course recently
Dave W wrote:
If so, I am embarassed to say that I catch myself doing that every now and again. It usually happens when my head is full, having been passed 4 bits of numerical info in the same call.
I know the cure: "Slow Down, Dave". Easier said than done sometimes!
MichaelP wrote:I don’t bawl people out, but I have knocked a few thumbs off the transmit switch in my time. Most often when the other person is responding to someone else's call!
Mike Tango wrote:
That is bad from air traffic. The cure is not Dave having to slow down, Dave shouldn’t have to slow down.
Air traffic shouldn’t be passing many multiples of numerical information that needs to be read back in one transmission, and those that insist on doing so need educated. It increases the chance of an incorrect read back which may be missed by the controller, potentially leading to incident or worse.
If given three or four sets of numbers needing to be read back, I suggest reading back a couple then asking for the other two to be repeated. Hopefully ATC will get the message, especially those that think speaking fast with information overload is big and clever. Which of course it is not.
AndyR wrote:When are the Americans ever going to learn how to pronounce Bovingdon as that and not Baavintuun
When are the Americans ever going to learn how to pronounce Bovingdon as that and not Baavintuun
Dave W wrote:The other part of the joint solution would be to give me info in bite-size chunks, and then the whole exchange will end up being shorter, likely enabling the service to be provided to more aircraft overall.
TopCat wrote:MichaelP wrote:I'd like to have the chance to get bawled out old-school stylee by you one of these days.
I don’t bawl people out, but I have knocked a few thumbs off the transmit switch in my time. Most often when the other person is responding to someone else's call!
However, if you pay me enough I suppose I can attend to a masochistic desire for the right price.
Where are you based? Perhaps an initial visit first just to establish who's the scarier
MichaelP wrote:I’m not scary at all.
I haunt Popham, and Redhill.
Can be spotted at Goodwood, White Waltham, and on occasion Blackbushe.
This is something the RAF is very good at. In a past life I operated in and out of many RAF stations and not once did they ever give more than two bits of information at once. If it took several transmissions, so be it. I often wondered whether it was an SOP. If so, civilian ATC could do well to look at it.
Another thing....If you listen into some North London GA airfields, nowadays, practically every student pilots’ natural tongue is not English. Rarely do you hear anything other than a foreign accent from a training aircraft apart from the Instructor. Often difficult to understand unless they use standard RT.
Times are changing!