Mon May 03, 2021 10:22 pm
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AeroDyn wrote:Sooo, the LAA airfield ...
Be very careful what you say: it's the airfield at which the LAA are based; it's not their airfield.
AeroDyn wrote:Sooo, the LAA airfield ...
AeroDyn wrote:@Rob L Great point, 'the airfield at which the LAA currently reside'.
Feel better now?
What was the point of that drama? showcasing formatting skills?
I took a linguistic shortcut, the meaning of which was perfectly clear and didn't pretend to accrue benefit that wasn't deserved. WHAT'S YOUR POINT? Be careful of what? I don't understand the threat, or it's potential consequences. Please explain.
Rob L wrote:It's not the LAA airfield.Fair enough, I stand corrected, I didn't know that. Thanks!
Sooo, the LAA airfield have Pilotaware based ATOM GRID which isn't used for traffic advice but DID assist a successful Airprox resolution?
Finally, in determining the risk, the Board discussed the separation between the aircraft and the action taken by the pilots. Although the RV9 pilot had seen the Phenom late, the Phenom pilot had been visual for some time and so members quickly agreed that there had been no risk of collision, but assessed that safety had been degraded; Risk Category C.
gaznav wrote:@AeroDynCircuit traffic were advised, GRID ATOM contributed. There is NO DOUBT that the warning enhanced the SA, the report says that as I recall..Sooo, the LAA airfield have Pilotaware based ATOM GRID which isn't used for traffic advice but DID assist a successful Airprox resolution?
Another point of order in that sentence. This is what the UKAB summarised:Finally, in determining the risk, the Board discussed the separation between the aircraft and the action taken by the pilots. Although the RV9 pilot had seen the Phenom late, the Phenom pilot had been visual for some time and so members quickly agreed that there had been no risk of collision, but assessed that safety had been degraded; Risk Category C.
My highlight. Would you like to amend your hyperbole about what the system did or didn’t contribute to the resolution?
Mike Tango wrote:If the airfield is busy enough to justify it (or perhaps has some commercial movements) then it’s full fat ATC.
If it’s not then nothing… unicom/safety com.
gaznav wrote:TLRippon wrote:Now that radio operators can facilitate GPS derived non precision approaches with a 10 minute closure of the ATZ. Debating whether passing obvious collision risk information would seem inconsequential.
Are you sure? I am an Air Ground Radio Operator (AGRO) with a Radio Operators’ Certificate of Competence (ROCC) - this is not covered in CAP452 and looking at CAP413 it states this:RNP instrument approach procedures (IAP) are available for use by suitably equipped aircraft and approved operators at certain aerodromes.
Looking at the phraseology for such approaches in CAP413 it uses words like “Report”, then to me the minimum would be Flight Information Service Officers (FISOs). Can you point me to where it says that AGROs can do this? It would help greatly if you could
AeroDyn wrote:..('hi per boal', or 'hi per boleeeeee'?)
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RNP instrument approach procedures (IAP) are available for use by suitably equipped aircraft and approved operators at certain aerodromes.
TLRippon wrote:gaznav wrote:TLRippon wrote:Now that radio operators can facilitate GPS derived non precision approaches with a 10 minute closure of the ATZ. Debating whether passing obvious collision risk information would seem inconsequential.
Are you sure? I am an Air Ground Radio Operator (AGRO) with a Radio Operators’ Certificate of Competence (ROCC) - this is not covered in CAP452 and looking at CAP413 it states this:RNP instrument approach procedures (IAP) are available for use by suitably equipped aircraft and approved operators at certain aerodromes.
Looking at the phraseology for such approaches in CAP413 it uses words like “Report”, then to me the minimum would be Flight Information Service Officers (FISOs). Can you point me to where it says that AGROs can do this? It would help greatly if you could
Was looking at the paperwork the other day, in someone else’s hands, I’ll retrieve and report.