Primarily for general aviation discussion, but other aviation topics are also welcome.
By Rjk983
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#1844878
kanga wrote:
[Incidentally, in that respect, they sometimes resemble obscurer and underreported Select Committees of the House of Lords. There, non-political cross-bench Peers can often provide expertise, and penetrating scrutiny of Bills and witnesses, in ways in which Commons ones cannot.]


I assumed you were about comment on the smell of fox p*ss... I mean, ermine.... :lol: :lol:
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Rjk983 wrote:
kanga wrote:
[Incidentally, in that respect, they sometimes resemble obscurer and underreported Select Committees of the House of Lords. There, non-political cross-bench Peers can often provide expertise, and penetrating scrutiny of Bills and witnesses, in ways in which Commons ones cannot.]


I assumed you were about comment on the smell of fox p*ss... I mean, ermine....


[as no smiley ..]

no, I was not. There is an extraordinary range of expertise among cross-bench Peers, very few of whom are there because of any family privilege. Many attend only when there is a Chamber or Committee debate on which they have relevant expert knowledge, frequently greater than that of a Minister or Official. Bills are often usefully amended thereby, which is one reason why Lords Amendments are often accepted by Ministers in the Commons.
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By Rjk983
FLYER Club Member  FLYER Club Member
#1844914
kanga wrote:
Rjk983 wrote:
kanga wrote:
[Incidentally, in that respect, they sometimes resemble obscurer and underreported Select Committees of the House of Lords. There, non-political cross-bench Peers can often provide expertise, and penetrating scrutiny of Bills and witnesses, in ways in which Commons ones cannot.]


I assumed you were about comment on the smell of fox p*ss... I mean, ermine....


[as no smiley ..]

no, I was not. There is an extraordinary range of expertise among cross-bench Peers, very few of whom are there because of any family privilege. Many attend only when there is a Chamber or Committe debate on which they have relevant expert knowledge, frequently greater than that of a Minister or Official. Bills are often usefully amended thereby, which is one reason why Lords Amendments are often accepted by Ministers in the Commons.


Very remiss of me, I have edited my original post. Tongue was firmly in cheek, I would much prefer that we still had a full house of hereditary peers and appointed experts [and I stop here so I don’t get barred for political posting...]
#1919257
Some fascinating info there in all areas, and I came away having thought a lot and learned a lot, as always the danger of assumptions!

I was intrigued at the way certain I imagine highly commercially sensitive parameters for the fuel cell were redacted.
#1919470
Grelly wrote:Couldn't they have done their tests in a less expensive aircraft?


For what they were doing, and compared to the cost of developing the powertrain, the aircraft looks pretty inexpensive to me. I doubt that the airframe cost as much as 10% of the overall project, and likely rather less.

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