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Re: A new airfield? Surely not.

PostPosted:Tue May 11, 2021 6:48 pm
by PeteSpencer
TVM

Re: A new airfield? Surely not.

PostPosted:Tue May 11, 2021 8:04 pm
by Gary D’eathstar
A quick call to Caroline Moore at the CAA to check she’s legit me thinks.
I thought they were supposed to be impartial!
Thanks chaps

Re: A new airfield? Surely not.

PostPosted:Tue May 11, 2021 8:47 pm
by Miscellaneous
Gary D’eathstar wrote:A quick call to Caroline Moore at the CAA to check she’s legit me thinks.

Really, is that an indication of how you conduct yourself? :roll:

I'll save you the trouble.

https://uk.linkedin.com/in/caroline-moore-13385a6a

Re: A new airfield? Surely not.

PostPosted:Tue May 11, 2021 8:56 pm
by Gary D’eathstar
Thank you

Re: A new airfield? Surely not.

PostPosted:Wed May 12, 2021 12:19 pm
by trevs99uk
JonathanB wrote:This made me laugh:
have you got planes landing 100ft over your house, every half hour, seven days a week ,10 months of the year??? No, didn't think so...


I was going to reply with this, but I can't be bothered to register on the site:

There is no chance you'll have "planes landing 100ft over your house, every half hour, seven days a week ,10 months of the year" - just go and look at movement logs for larger grass airfields than this planned strip. More likely there will be very little activity most of the week and a few more flights on weekends with nice weather. If it's too windy, wet or the clouds are too low it will be dead. And if you're really expecting aircraft to be 100ft over your house then you must live incredibly close to the ends of the proposed strip, and I see no dwellings on Google Maps/Earth in such locations, so this is mere exaggeration on your part.

Also look up the 28-day rule - a strip can be established here and used for 28-days every year with no planning permission whatsoever. http://www.permitteddevelopment.org/The ... opment.php At least with a strip with planning permission then the local authority can establish limititations on it's usage.


If someone else (@PeteSpencer?) wants to cut and paste or edit and paste, then feel free.



Which reminds me.. I read somewhere that due to the Pandemic the Government changed the 28days rule.. The period allowed for the temporary use of land under permitted development rights was extended from 28 days to 56 days at the start of the pandemic, and this is extended until 31 December 2021 by the new Regulations.

Re: A new airfield? Surely not.

PostPosted:Wed May 12, 2021 12:34 pm
by Flying_john
I think its all pretty much academic now. There are so many comments that it will likely be called in/ go to appeal and it will be there for the appointed inspector to decide the case based on government planning policy and any local plan in place at the time of the application.

Just because there is a vociferous local who doesn't want it in the their neighbourhood, shouldn't stop a land owner doing what he wants with his land, in line with planning policy and guidance. Even if elected local councillors don't like the idea, they should be guided by their officers in accordance with planning policy and if they don't, it can end up costing local authorities a great deal of money at appeal or judicial review.

Re: A new airfield? Surely not.

PostPosted:Wed May 12, 2021 1:03 pm
by stickandrudderman
Even if elected local councillors don't like the idea, they should be guided by their officers in accordance with planning policy and if they don't, it can end up costing local authorities a great deal of money at appeal or judicial review.


In my experience, Councillors take every opportunity to influence planning officers; they are all driven by their egos.

Re: A new airfield? Surely not.

PostPosted:Wed May 12, 2021 6:18 pm
by Flying_john
Probably true, but it then comes out in the appeals process that the guidance and advice given by the paid experts (planning officers) has been ignored and the elected members are then ridiculed for ignoring advice.

Re: A new airfield? Surely not.

PostPosted:Wed May 12, 2021 9:32 pm
by johnm
Planning is just another broken system so getting anything done is a lottery unless you are a major developer in which case do what you like after agreeing conditions you have no intention of fulfilling and which won’t be enforced :twisted:

Re: A new airfield? Surely not.

PostPosted:Tue Jun 01, 2021 5:06 pm
by ChampChump
Only six days left to register your objection.

I trust that statement meets the approval of those who do not think pilots are valid stakeholders and this isn't a news item. Here's one link to everything perceived to be wrong with the proposal -


https://www.change.org/p/dover-district ... t-mongeham

Others are available.

I'd like to link to the handy map with concentric circles, but I'm having difficulty with that.

Re: A new airfield? Surely not.

PostPosted:Tue Jun 01, 2021 5:34 pm
by NDB_hold
The petition is right about one thing: once it’s an airfield, it’s fair game for developers...

Re: A new airfield? Surely not.

PostPosted:Tue Jun 01, 2021 6:50 pm
by Rjk983
NDB_hold wrote:The petition is right about one thing: once it’s an airfield, it’s fair game for developers...


I was interested by that comment in the petition, who knew the greens would be on our side when it comes to keeping airfields classified as green rather than brown field land!

Re: A new airfield? Surely not.

PostPosted:Wed Jun 02, 2021 10:10 am
by Dave W
ChampChump wrote:I'd like to link to the handy map with concentric circles, but I'm having difficulty with that.

@ChampChump, here is the somewhat disingenuous (IMO) diagram that implies approaches from every direction and a most unrealistic indication of where aircraft will be below 1000' and 500'.

Re: A new airfield? Surely not.

PostPosted:Wed Jun 02, 2021 10:25 am
by flybymike
Looks like 500ft circuits are to be the norm then. :roll:

Re: A new airfield? Surely not.

PostPosted:Wed Jun 02, 2021 11:38 am
by ChampChump
Thanks for doing that Dave.

There are some interesting assumptions made in the production of that diagram. :?