Thu Jan 14, 2021 10:54 pm
#1820202
Here’s how the anglers managed to persuade the government that standing or sitting by a lake is exercise. https://linesonthewater.anglingtrust.ne ... got-there/
rdfb wrote:Cessna571 wrote:The reason they were able to go for a walk on their own at a beauty spot, was because everyone else was following the guidance, rather than being selfish.
Then 2 selfish brats pop up, say “it’s only guidance” and go and enjoy the empty outdoors, because everyone else is following the spirit of the guidance.
What would be selfish would be going somewhere to exercise, finding a crowd, and not leaving immediately.
I find it very hard to accept that somebody finding some empty space is selfish. It's entirely within the spirit of the rules and the guidance to find somewhere to exercise that is empty.
I reserve my judgemental attitude for people actually in crowds, or in close contact with other random people (outside the "1 other person outdoors for exercise" explicitly permitted within the guidance). Because that's what causes infection. Because infection is what we actually need to reduce. Fun, recreation, entertainment...these don't factor into it at all, except where they result in infection risk.
Cessna571 wrote:Those defending the girls are missing my point.
Cardinal Sin wrote:@Lockhaven there is no “one hour” stipulation in either guidance or law so far as I can see. Also there is nothing in the law to determine how far you may travel. The law does permit you to leave home for exercise, it says nothing about distance.
Exercising
You should minimise time spent outside your home, but you can leave your home to exercise. This should be limited to once per day, and you should not travel outside your local area.
You can exercise in a public outdoor place:
by yourself
with the people you live with
with your support bubble (if you are legally permitted to form one)
in a childcare bubble where providing childcare
or, when on your own, with 1 person from another household
This includes but is not limited to running, cycling, walking, and swimming. Personal training can continue if participants are from the same household or support bubble. It can also continue if it is one-on-one, although this should only take place in a public outdoor place, and not in someone’s private home or garden.
Public outdoor places include:
parks, beaches, countryside accessible to the public, forests
public and botanical gardens (whether or not you pay to enter them)
the grounds of a heritage site
public playgrounds
Playgrounds are primarily open for use by children who do not have access to private outdoor space, like their own garden. Although you can take your children to a playground for exercise, you must not socialise with other people while there.
Outdoor sports venues must close, for example:
tennis courts
golf courses
swimming pools
Allotments remain open, but you cannot meet with someone outside your household or support bubble there unless another exemption applies.
Children under 5, and up to 2 carers for a person with a disability who needs continuous care, are not counted towards the gatherings limits for exercising outside.
If you (or a person in your care) have a health condition that routinely requires you to leave home to maintain your health - including if that involves travel beyond your local area or exercising several times a day - then you can do so.
When around other people, stay 2 metres apart from anyone not in your household. This includes the person you are exercising with, unless they are from your household - meaning the people you live with - or your support bubble.
Cessna571 wrote:rdfb wrote:Cessna571 wrote:The reason they were able to go for a walk on their own at a beauty spot, was because everyone else was following the guidance, rather than being selfish.
Then 2 selfish brats pop up, say “it’s only guidance” and go and enjoy the empty outdoors, because everyone else is following the spirit of the guidance.
What would be selfish would be going somewhere to exercise, finding a crowd, and not leaving immediately.
I find it very hard to accept that somebody finding some empty space is selfish. It's entirely within the spirit of the rules and the guidance to find somewhere to exercise that is empty.
I reserve my judgemental attitude for people actually in crowds, or in close contact with other random people (outside the "1 other person outdoors for exercise" explicitly permitted within the guidance). Because that's what causes infection. Because infection is what we actually need to reduce. Fun, recreation, entertainment...these don't factor into it at all, except where they result in infection risk.
Those defending the girls are missing my point.
It would be risk free for me to go to the pub, or a restaurant, on my own or with my wife. (or indeed anywhere at the minute, as it is all handily empty)
So why should I be fined if I do?
That was the concept of the two girls. The beauty spot was empty wasn’t it.
Same as beaches, parks, roads, etc.
They’re all empty, same as that beauty spot.
The key point is, why did the girls find it empty?
Because the rules don’t apply to them.
They only applied to everyone else.
So why should they apply to me?
Why were the 2 people fined for driving to see the seals? The beach was empty, there was no risk.
So, I presume you all agree they shouldn’t have been fined either, by your standards that too was acceptable.
Or is it just those 2 girls who can drive around “because it’s no risk, as everywhere is deserted”
Lockhaven wrote:https://www.gov.uk/guidance/national-lockdown-stay-at-home#exercising
Flyingfemme wrote:Or must we now cut everyone dead and refuse to meet their gaze?
Flyingfemme wrote:What on earth is wrong with golf?