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By ls8pilot
#1819891
SteveC wrote:
Full Metal Jackass wrote:
SteveC wrote:Try this....

https://publicapps.caa.co.uk/docs/33/CE ... DATION.pdf

The U.K. ANO AUTOMATICALLY validates ICAO licences IN the U.K.


That was exactly the form I linked but the main objection was due to the fact that it states

The United Kingdom Civil Aviation Authority (CAA) renders valid, for the purpose of operating an aircraft on the United Kingdom “G” register outside of United Kingdom airspace,

and doesn't actually validate EASA licences for flying G Registered aircraft within the United Kingdom Airspace so if you could link me the ANO automatic recognition for inside UK airspace, I'd be grateful.


Your EASA licence is issued in accordance with ICAO standards.

https://www.caa.co.uk/Commercial-indust ... -airspace/


For EU issued EASA LAPL (which is non-ICAO) there is an exemption to allow flying G-Reg aircraft within UK airspace, it is on the CAA microsite under the LAPL section. However (bizarrely) you cannot use (say) a German EASA LAPL to fly a D-Reg aircraft in UK airpsace!
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By MattL
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@Genghis the Engineer CPL and ATPL holders can have an IR(R) on a U.K. Part-FCL licence, I have right now. That is because we had them on U.K. issued EASA licences which became U.K. Part FCL licences on 1 January.

You have fallen into the crack of adding a rating after initiating a SOLI by the sounds of it. I suggest you need get your IR issued onto your IAA licence ASAP, you also risk having a drama with CAA recognising the IR when you apply for a U.K. Part FCL CPL after 1 April if you haven’t got the IR on your IAA CPL.
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By Genghis the Engineer
#1819938
MattL wrote:@Genghis the Engineer CPL and ATPL holders can have an IR(R) on a U.K. Part-FCL licence, I have right now. That is because we had them on U.K. issued EASA licences which became U.K. Part FCL licences on 1 January.

You have fallen into the crack of adding a rating after initiating a SOLI by the sounds of it. I suggest you need get your IR issued onto your IAA licence ASAP, you also risk having a drama with CAA recognising the IR when you apply for a U.K. Part FCL CPL after 1 April if you haven’t got the IR on your IAA CPL.


On the second, that's exactly what I'm doing - although the requirement to apply for yet another licence is bemusing me! I passed my CPL in 2010 and looking at my records folder, have had a JAA one, EASA UK one, and a UK one. So with a new FCL CPL, that'll be four licences, off one skill test, in eleven years!

On the first point anyhow, that's the opposite of what the CAA told me when I queried this. My history is a JAR CPL + IMCR, which had to be converted to EASA - at which point I picked the "separate UK licence as well please" box and was issued with a UK CPL in addition to my EASA CPL.

When they arrived, the EASA CPL had an IR(R) on it (which had been an IMCR on my JAR CPL), but the UK CPL did not. I queried that with CAA who told me that this was correct as all UK professional licences had embedded IMCR privileges, and therefore it should not be explicitly listed. Subsequently looking into this, there also seems to be no requirement to do anything to maintain those privileges - so as long as my licence and rating are current, I have IMCR / IR(R) privileges when flying on my UK CPL.

I really struggle to see why the UK needs to issue yet more licences against a new UK-FCL in order to permit people to fly G-reg aeroplanes in categories for which they are licenced. One ORS4 would surely pick up everything, then change wording on licences as/when the7 need re-issuing with new ratings, if ever, anyhow. The whole "part 21" aeroplanes bit just smacks of complete denial we've actually left EASA.

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By MattL
#1819940
Yes the CAA was quite right when they issued you with your NATIONAL CPL, they wouldn’t give you an IMCR (not an IRR) on that as it would invoke revalidation dates which aren’t required.

Eventually, I suspect U.K. Part-FCL and U.K. National licences will be converged but there isn’t the legal mechanism to do this right now.