rdfb wrote:eltonioni wrote:We’re going to be reminded that lockdowns don’t work, yet again.
The stats from the previous lockdowns show otherwise. Lockdowns do slow down the tide.
What you did there was to set your own terms of reference. - "slow the tide". Full hospitals and Tier 4 say otherwise. If only we could always measure success on personal terms Sheffield Wednesday would be the best team in the league for having the least number of points. Sore point, don't go there
neilmurg wrote:eltonioni wrote:After nigh on a year of lockdowns, how anyone can say that they work is beyond me. Especially anyone living under a newly invented Tier 4, or Scotland, Wales... France, Germany, Belgium, Denmark, Spain.....
I'm (honestly) not looking for an argument, I have followed the data on infections and lockdowns very closely. IMO you can see the relationship between lockdowns and infection rates.
OK, forget the above: I don't understand your point. Lockdowns have worked. Also, infections have increased. There's a pandemic.
What's your alternative plan? Using data and preserving the NHS seems sensible.
You seem to say 'We've tried lockdown but there's still a disease.' WTF did you expect?
I don't doubt that it's beyond you
It's not beyond me because like you, I have also followed the numbers. Maybe you just didn't notice that lockdowns don't work because you need to look beyond the numbers, not at the numbers. At the most basic level, when there is a two week lag on infections you only have to look at the Welsh covid hokey cokey to see that lockdowns have not worked, do not work, will not start working.
If you want to get a bit more sophisticated maybe nip over to the thread I started entitled
There is n̶o̶ vaccine - what's the exit strategy?. Unless we interrogate that question there is no point even discussing lockdowns because we don't know what we're actually trying to achieve. If you'd like to bring your "data" that lockdowns work to that thread we can interrogate your assertions but don't expect an easy win, so bring your A game.
The last six months have seen an incredible improvement in treatments so even that question changes. But, if you are happy to stay under lockdowns ad-Infinitum, with all that entails, don't be surprised if some of us are up on the barricades fighting for your society, your family, your wealth, your freedom, your rights.
johnm wrote:I am getting thoroughly fed up with all of this.
We know full well that if the precautions are observed and lockdowns imposed properly than the disease can be controlled to a reasonable degree. It's the half-hearted and confused approach that is potentially very dangerous and that's where we find ourselves.
We are not alone in Europe and the USA is still a mess.
Yea, but they are not. That's it, end of story, lockdowns are a busted flush,
Picking up on my comment last night it is starting to look like the UK has simply ID'd this new one because (apparently) we are doing 45% of the world's genomic sequencing so we're actually finding it. That it's so prevalent in the SE and London is a bit a smoking gun that it's come in from abroad.
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