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#1773147
Can people please clarify the context of comments in threads!
For example, just saying "here" or "I popped over to Calais" without clarifying that a) you are in France (insert country here) or b) French (making a big difference to the legality) results in much confusion and possible acrimony :D :D
By johnda
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malcolmfrost wrote:Can people please clarify the context of comments in threads!
For example, just saying "here" or "I popped over to Calais" without clarifying that a) you are in France (insert country here) or b) French (making a big difference to the legality) results in much confusion and possible acrimony :D :D


Nobody who was actually in France would normally say "I popped OVER to Calais", whereas we Brits coming from England say it all the time because it is OVER the Channel. Someone in France would probably say "I went UP to Calais".

The purpose of my OP was not to confuse but to inform, particularly as Calais has now reopened offficially (since Monday), although the runway was never closed and was always technically open for landings.

I did also clarify that I would not advise anyone to land in France if they could not tick any of the boxes of the French "Attestation de Déplacement International Dérogatoire vers le France Métropolitaine".

All restrictions should be lifted in two weeks' time, unless Baldrick Johnson's cunning plan to stop us travelling actually materializes.
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I have been at at reasonable size airfield recently. I did not see any signs that the people there were Covid-19 secure.
A flying lesson was given with no Covid-19 precautions taken - no santising, no masks, no social distancing. The instructor was a little younger than me (60s or 70s in age).
An aircraft came back from maintenance. Engineer jumped out, no sanitising, stude pilot jumped in, instructor jumped in and off they went, no masks.

I know people moaned about GA getting back into the air but surely we must be taking some precautions? At a smaller airfield, they are still being very careful and very little flying training is taking place (don't know if they wear masks in the cockpit).

Allowing GA to start and flying training to start does not mean we can ignore Covid-19, it means we can start but also take precautions. The lack of anyone doing so at the airfield I visited does not give me confidence that they take care over their flying either.
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By Gentoo
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Unless there is a local lockdown then the school can operate and there is no requirement for masks except for passengers.

I don't think it's fair to link what you saw to a lack of care on the flying. They are two different risks, and appetite will differ.

I have been to a flying club recently and I think the risks of COVID transmission are much lower than many other things that are currently allowed (e.g. hairdressers). So if there is a re-opening then it is operating as expected.

..of course if the general re-opening causes a spike, then flight training, hairdressing (without masks) and indoor socialising will likely be shut down again.

In my view if an individual needs to take special precautions they should hold off from flight training for a while longer. But if they are not having to take special care then the government plan is to allow these activities (and others) as part of a phased return to normal.
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By TLRippon
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I'm disappointed at the whole "Only Passengers need to wear masks" thing.

It is a totally false concept that the working person is perfectly fine in an environment where social distancing cannot be maintained but the passenger is a risk.

If I were a passenger in a light aircraft I would certainly not want to fly with a pilot from outwith my bubble not wearing a face covering. I would be at risk from them.

If I were a student I certainly wouldn't want to sit next to an FI in a 152, who has been in contact with what could be hundreds of members of the public every month with neither of us wearing a mask.

This is dangerous pushing of the limits and it would seem that the data SAGE is seeing and advising the PM upon is following that path.

We are starting trial lessons again this week, there will be strict precautions in place, temperature checks, social distancing indoors and masks/mitigation in the aircraft. alongside cleaning of the aircraft between every flight. Which is what our school has been doing anyway since July 4th.
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