We don’t ban them!
Genuinely unsure of your point fella
flybymike wrote:I suppose the point is that some folk might prefer an overhead join for various reasons, possibly for training, possibly for runway orientation, and in one case I can think of because I couldn’t see the airfield because of haze and the sun in my eyes.
sssdu01 wrote:if I am directed to do Standard OH join with less than 3,000 feet cloud base, have I been given SVFR by default ?
sssdu01 wrote:[quote="AlanM"
You can be VFR in a 1500 cloud ceiling.... so you can still do an O/H join (even SVFR)
Anyway, probably me just missing the point.
AlanM the point is for VFR pilots
Lots of ATCO's will only permit Standard OH Join (especially if its busy)
Standard OH Join is 2,000 feet
New rules dictate 1,000 from cloud = Standard OH join must have 3,000 feet + cloudbase
My original question still stands - if I am directed to do Standard OH join with less than 3,000 feet cloud base, have I been given SVFR by default ? It sounds like you are an experienced ATCO so please share the ATCO's interpretation of the new rules with all on this forum.
xtophe wrote:sssdu01 wrote:if I am directed to do Standard OH join with less than 3,000 feet cloud base, have I been given SVFR by default ?
If the instruction is not clear, ask for clarifications.
So, say, you were up to this point on a VFR clearance, you could say: "Unable due ceiling, request Special VFR"
Or if it's the first instruction clearance: "Confirm cloud base" or "Confirm it is a Special VFR clearance"
flybymike wrote:xtophe wrote:sssdu01 wrote:if I am directed to do Standard OH join with less than 3,000 feet cloud base, have I been given SVFR by default ?
If the instruction is not clear, ask for clarifications.
So, say, you were up to this point on a VFR clearance, you could say: "Unable due ceiling, request Special VFR"
Or if it's the first instruction clearance: "Confirm cloud base" or "Confirm it is a Special VFR clearance"
I imagine that if a VFR clearance is not available then it won’t be offered.
Whether SVFR is offered as an alternative seems to be debatable.
Who, honestly, gives two hoots about this stuff when it comes to what they actually do in the real world?