Primarily for general aviation discussion, but other aviation topics are also welcome.
#1745876
Rob P wrote:
RisePilot wrote: Of course for “real” purposes, use a real domain & email; It’s only £9.95 to get your own domain.


I have a couple of domains, but much prefer Gmail, particularly as having got in early I have (first name) dot (surname) @gmail.com


I have similar for my name but because gmail ignores dots before the @ in email addresses I get loads of spam for FirstnameLastname@gmail.com.

I’ve (apparently) booked flights, ordered pizzas, bought loads of insurance and a host of other stuff.

The amount of other spam to that address is phenomenal ... thousands a month. It catches most, but the ones that get through exceed the legitimate emails by quite some number.
#1745882
Since Jan 1st this year I have been paperless......anything that does still arrive by snailmail (and I have one bank that steadfastly refuses to give me e-statements) gets scanned and filed then shredded. Magazine are electronic and newsletters or catalogues are returned to sender with a request for termination. I have a handful of those natty Samung ssds that I take with me on trips and no longer need my Small Business Server. It’s very liberating. The CAA have been using email very efficiently for years - especially the registrations department........they write a letter then send the e-copy! I don’t have much experience with the licencing department and, from chat overheard here, intend to keep it that way! It’s slightly irritating that they publish details that should be personal and private but life is getting more and more that way. Suck it up, cupcake. Or live your life doing nothing at all.
#1745896
I have been using the same email address (first initial and surname, without a dot, at gmail.com) since gmail was in beta. I seem to recall one had to have an 'invite' from an existing user in the early days.

During that time I have lived at four different physical addresses. Updating one's address with the myriad of organisations one seems to need to deal with these days is a right royal pain the backside, especially when an organisation decides they need it in writing or via some bizarre verification procedure (I'm looking at you, CAA licensing) rather than just a telephone call.

My diligence in updating my address with various organisations is loosely based on (a) whether I actually want to get anything from them in the post, and (b) whether not updating causes any actual problems for me.
#1745900
My Gmail has received 5 genuine emails, 50 spam that got to my inbox and 238 in the junk folder since 7th Feb. That's a pretty poor signal to noise ratio.
#1745905
PaulB wrote:My Gmail has received 5 genuine emails, 50 spam that got to my inbox and 238 in the junk folder since 7th Feb. That's a pretty poor signal to noise ratio.


So why are you still using Gmail? Or any other free web-based email?

time/cost? 5 minutes and a couple quid would fix this

I’ve had the address a long time? So forward to a new real address/domain and set rules to filter the rubbish.

I’ve got my name.surname? So; choose any domain and make your own.
#1745917
RisePilot wrote:
PaulB wrote:My Gmail has received 5 genuine emails, 50 spam that got to my inbox and 238 in the junk folder since 7th Feb. That's a pretty poor signal to noise ratio.


So why are you still using Gmail? Or any other free web-based email?


I don't use it for important stuff
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#1745944
Getting back to the topic and PaulB's post at the bottom of page 1, I have just had a look at the ANO and Part 3 (sections 24-32) which is the bit about registration (see http://www.legislation.gov.uk/uksi/2016/765/part/3/made). We are, of course, all very familiar :wink: with this document - the whole ANO has 275 sections and a further 14 schedules, so it's a good read for several nights.

russp wrote:
PaulB wrote:I challenged the legality of this with the CAA just before Christmas and they fobbed me off with (initially) words to the effect of 'Ginfo is older than GDPR so is not subject to it" When i challenged that they tweaked it a little bit.... was going to get back to them but haven't had the time.

Gdpr is a dead end, the CAA are required by legislation to keep a publicly available register. GDPR legislation specifically excludes anything required to fulfil legislation. If you want this changed you have to persuade the govt to change the law.

I really do think that PaulB is right and the CAA (as quoted by russp) are wrong - there is absolutely nothing in the ANO which mentions the need for publication of personal information re registration and ownership, so how come the CAA are claiming that the legislation requires it? Please can anyone identify any other legal source (like some Statutory Instrument?) which might be relevant?
#1745961
You might be interested in Civil Aviation Act 1982 section 23 "Disclosure of information". I thought there would be an act which creates the CAA and that they might have obligations defined in there, such as to publish the register. While this Act does seem to be the one that creates the CAA and gives it obligations, they aren't given in that much detail. But it does place some restriction on disclosure of information "which relates to a particular person".
#1746004
rdfb wrote:You might be interested in Civil Aviation Act 1982 section 23 "Disclosure of information".


I specifically asked the CAA if there were any other regs (other than the ANO & The Civil Aviation Authority Regulations (1991)) that were relevant to the disclosure of the register and

The Man from the CAA wrote:There is no other legislation covering this subject other than the Air Navigation Order 2016 and Civil Aviation Authority Regulations (1991).
#1746015
Civil Aviation Authority Regulations (1991).


Oh, that one's interesting. Here you go:

The Civil Aviation Authority Regulations 1991 Regulation 8

The Authority shall, at all reasonable times and upon payment to it of any applicable charge under section 11 of the Act for inspecting the register, make the register of aircraft available for inspection by any person.
#1746018
Indeed... Para 27(2)(e) requires that the register contains

ANO Para 27(2)(e) wrote:The name and address of every person who is entitled as owner to a legal interest in the aircraft or a share of the aircraft or, in the case of an aircraft which is the subject of a charter by demise, the name and address of the charterer by demise;


The item cited in the post above requires that the register is available on request.

However:-

1. GINFO fails to show details of every person with an equity interest when there are more than 2 such people.

2. GINFO *does* however, display the names and addresses of people with no equity interest at all.

I can't see how (1)1 above is complying with the requirement to make the register available and I can't see where the ANO states that the register must contain historical information (as in (2) above) and then publish it.
#1746765
rdfb wrote:
Civil Aviation Authority Regulations (1991).

...

The Authority shall, at all reasonable times and upon payment to it of any applicable charge under section 11 of the Act for inspecting the register, make the register of aircraft available for inspection by any person.


I don’t see why G-info isn’t managed in the same way as the electoral roll. You have the option to opt out of the publicly available free version of the electoral roll but your details are visible in the full register, which is made available in paper form to be viewed at your local council office.

The same could be easily applied to g-info, choose to be on the public website view but if you refuse you will still be visible on the copy that is available to view at CAA (For a CAA appropriate fee, call it £200 for five minutes viewing...)
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#1746812
When I wrote to them I think I made that point..... They kept saying that it was a historical register, but I can't see anything in the ANO that requires them to retain historical records in the register, never mind publish them on the internet.

When I get a minute I will go back to them on these points.